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Old 07-04-11, 03:54 PM   #1
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Alfine Internal Gear Bikes - Help Me Find one?

There have been a lot of other threads about Alfine 11 and 8 speed hub bikes, and I've been trying to wade through them to find the right option for my new bike.

I'll post what I've found so far, but the reason I'm posting this thread is to come up with all the present offerings for myself and others who may be looking for the same bike I'd like to find.

Personally, I'm satisfied that I want a bike with an Alfine 11 or 8. My sole purpose in this thread is to list available bikes, not to discuss the merits of the Alfine hubs. If you're aware of a bike that isn't listed here, please feel free to add it.

I've left out a few of the bikes that are real dressed out in fenders, racks, dynamo hubs, etc. because I am looking for something more of an upscale path/trail/recreation bike myself. I don't intend to haul groceries or commute in the rain come hell or high water. I've also not added super expensive (for me this means over $2000) bikes. Please feel free to add bikes that are more dressed out or in higher price ranges.


Alfine 11 bikes:

Brodie Once about $1500 - sold out for this year's model
MEC Chance about $1500
Spot Acme - about $2000

Alfine 8

MEC Hold Steady - about $1250
Kona Dr. Fine - about $1100
Felt Verza City - about $1150
Raleigh Alley Way - about $1400
Swobo Baxter - about $1100
Giant Seek - about $1250
Mongoose Sarosa Ocho - about $1130
Norco Ceres - about $1375
Globe Live - about $1550
Dynamic Tempo Sport 8 - about $1000 (shaft drive?)
Scott Sub 10 - I don't have a price
Bianchi Milano

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Rocky Mountain Metropolis - no price yet


There are a couple other brands that have models I haven't included yet, because they aren't what I am looking for. I'll try to add a little info on these unless someone else beats me to it:

Civia
Batavus

I might also add a bit more info on the bikes above - right now, I'm just trying to come up with a model to purchase myself. The Brodie Once or Spot Acme would work well for me. I was ready to order the Brodie, but they are sold out.

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It's not necessary to buy a new bike that comes equipped with either hub.

If you have a bike that you like it's fairly easy to install either hub into the bike you like and get your "Ideal" bike.

All it takes a some money and good bike shop.........

On the other hand.....

Buy a new bike if you have excess money.
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Thanks, Nightshade, I do realize that I can retrofit a bike, and I'm kinda thinking I might end up buying a bike with an 8 speed hub and upgrading it to an 11 in the fall, or giving somebody an exceptional deal on a lightly used bike and ordering next year's model with an 11 in the fall since Brodie is sold out of the Once for this model year, and the Spot Acme is a teeny bit bit pricier than I want to go.

There's no such thing as "excess money" but, dude - it's only money, and it's my money. You can't take it with you. I worked for it, I can afford it, and I want a bike like this. I'll buy one, ride it a little bit, and sell it at a reasonable price to someone who can't afford a new one, and I'll buy something else when I am over the new thing gadget factor. Somebody has to keep those bike builders in Taiwan busy.

I appreciate the helpful thought, but what's it cost, like maybe $600 for someone to lace me up an 11 speed hub in a nice rim with a brake rotor and so on? I haven't priced it, but that's what I am guessing. You can't buy the components to build any of the bikes above for the price of the bike.

I've got a bike I really like, but it's a Dahon TR Speed (go ahead and laugh, it's sweet bike,) and I can't see lacing an Alfine 11 into a 20 inch wheel for that bike. If I had a full sized bike I liked, it couldn't be just any bike unless I wanted to tolerate an ugly shriveled up derailleur looking chain tensioner rig. I'd either need an eccentric bottom bracket or horizontal drop-outs. It's not like slapping on a different derailleur.

In the larger scheme of things, bikes sell for anywhere from "free" on Craiglist or Freecycle to like $12,000 (and up) for (real) professional bikes. I'm looking for something $1000 to hopefully under $2000.

Again, the discussion is "What bikes are available with an Alfine 8 or 11 speed hub," not "Why should nobody buy one?" or "Why a real biker would not ride an internal hub bike." I've seen the other discussions about why someone should just stick with a derailleur or a Sturmey Archer 3 speed, and why real bicyclists don't talk about bikes or look for the latest and greatest new thing, they just ride the bikes they've got. I guess that's why this forum has only 1648 members and fewer than 13 million posts in it.

Different people, different needs, different interests. I would not be caught dead in spandex, and hardly ever a helmet. I bike in jeans and a tee shirt for leisure and smoke the occasional cigarette while I ride. I will never ride more than maybe 40 miles in a day, and that will be nearly entirely on rails to trails - no serious hills, but all light gravel. I will never pack anything but maybe a sandwich, a bottle of water, and a credit card. Let's not get into who is a real biker and who isn't. I might only ride ten or twelve times a year, but when I do, I want to enjoy the latest and greatest thing. That's worth $1000 to $2000 to me.

Okay, so I think I've covered most of the off topic crap that got thrown out in the other posts that exist on this topic already, to save everyone the trouble. So, now, does anybody want to actually discuss current bikes that come with an Alfine 8 or 11?
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PS: Nightshade - I just noticed the "humvee of bikes" thing... nice... Those Worksman bikes are sweet. And the real dilemma in all this Alfine hub talk is that hardly a one of these bikes is steel! Putting your sig line into this discussion, finding a nice steel bike with the right dropouts or eccentric hub might make me think over the upgrade route.
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QBP distributes the Hubs.. you can get Bike Friday to build around one..

I have a Rohloff in my Pocket Llama. NB it's Steel..

they can even build it with the Disc brakes , inc the front one with a dynamo.

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There are a couple of nice Alfine frames/bikes from the UK, usually available in 8 or 11 spd versions.
On_one Pompetamine (flatbar/drop-bar)
Cotic Roadrat
Genesis day 01
Genesis IO

I think my bike, Dahon Cadenza 8 is out of production.
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UK still has some nice frame making companies, you could buy one of theirs ..
I got good service from M Steel/Joe Waugh , up north. they made a small front rack for me on a tour
did is in less than 72 hours , then I got on a ferry to Norway.
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PS: Nightshade - I just noticed the "humvee of bikes" thing... nice... Those Worksman bikes are sweet. And the real dilemma in all this Alfine hub talk is that hardly a one of these bikes is steel! Putting your sig line into this discussion, finding a nice steel bike with the right dropouts or eccentric hub might make me think over the upgrade route.
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I was a Brodie dealer before I closed up my bike shop, and the Ocho model sold like hotcakes. Brodie was one of the first OEMs out of the gate with an Alfine hub bike, and they were the only OEM I saw at the bike trade show in Montreal last year with an Alfine 11 bike.
The old frame used on the original Ocho wasn't bad, (eccentric BB), but for some reason, they had a useless derailluer hanger mounted on it. Kinda spoiled the look.
The new frame (same frame for the Ocho and the Once) looks much cleaner. It has a new dropout design, and no derailleur hanger.
I'm not surprised they sold out. I sold out of Ochos every year I had them. I shipped some of them as far as Vancouver.
I still service one of the Ochos I sold to a guy who lives near me. He's put several thousand kilometers on it and he loves it.
I know telling you all this won't help if they are sold out, but there is always next year.
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Hey guys, thank you so much for the nice suggestions and comments after I came in here shooting holes in the floor like the typical newb. I thought I had exhausted the old threads, but I am still finding new info, and you've given me some new info, too.

Nightshade, truer words were never spoken than "Where you start out to be isn't always where you wind up being." I didn't start out wanting the Alfine set up, and I might still change my mind, but I think this is where I'll end up.

Dan: In fact, your comments are VERY helpful, because I am seriously considering getting an interim bike to tide me over until the Once and Ocho are again available. Even though Brodie is sold out, Phil and Ryan from Brodie have answered questions for me, and checked with some dealers to see if any left over bikes were out there in the distribution pipeline. I'ms eriously thinking of pre-ordering a 2012 bike and waiting for it.

As to the Bike Fridays, I know they will build just about anything you want, and their reputation is awesome. I'm happy with my Dahon, which is probably a toy bike in comparison. I'm looking at a full sized bike for this one, but anyone who wants to throw in folders with Alfine and/or Rohloff hubs is welcome to add them to this discussion in case someone else is looking for such an option.

Folding bikes are what brought me back into biking. The gadget factor, as well as convenience of transport in the truck of a small car and not needing a bike rack convinced me that I was wrong to give up biking years ago. I'm really happy that I came back. Now, I'm willing to deal with a bike rack or a truck in order to get some biking in. I'm still not willing to ride on the roads where I live, when I have a really wonderful 40 mile trail nearby. Maybe next year I'll be donning spandex and challenging the SUVs for lane space, like a real biker.
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Also. the previous suggestion to retrofit a gearhub into an old frame was not a bad one. I've done a pretty fair number of retrofits,(over 20), some of them with Alfine hubs, all with very satisfactory results.
As a matter of fact, all six of my bikes have gearhubs of one sort or another that I either retrofitted, or built into new frames. They all work extremely well.
Edit: This may be a sign of too many bikes when I forget how many I have. The count is at 7 now, not 6.

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I appreciate the retrofit suggestion, but I am currently wanting a new bike. I think it would be great to find a truly classic steel frame bike in good condition, with eccentric bb or horizontal drop outs to totally rebuild. In fact, I'm kinda thinking that since there are so few Alfine 11 bikes available, I might buy an 8 and ride it until fall, then put an 11 in it, and use the 8 in rebuilding an old bike. That would get me as close to what I want as I can probably get for now, and give me two fun projects for winter.
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There have been a lot of other threads about Alfine 11 and 8 speed hub bikes, and I've been trying to wade through them to find the right option for my new bike.
We added a Nexus 8 to a $300 step-through city bike so my wife could have both a configuration she liked and decent gears.

You could do the same but would be spending $400 (assuming you import the hub from the UK where they're less expensive) for the hub, probably spokes, and labor if you don't build your own wheels.

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Dahon MU XL (nexus 8 but meh...same-o-same-o)

Dahon los XL http://us.dahon.com/bikes/1677/ios-xl (specs as above but 24" wheels)

European Cannondale Bad-Boy 8 http://www.cannondale.com/gbr/bikes/...2010-bad-boy-8

Van Dessel Whisky Tango Foxtrot (the Alfine build http://www.vandesselsports.com/?page_id=17 ...and it's a steel bike can be easily fitted with a belt drive if desired.)

Charge Mixer 11 (alfine 11) http://www.chargebikes.com/products/...tail.php?id=25

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Hello

I'll piggy-back on this thread since I'm looking for an IGH-based bike for use in the city and touring.

I like the fact that the hybrid I'm using is 9kg and has 3x9 speeds, but I'm tired of shifting gears while riding in the city. However, I need speeds when touring, so figured an Alfine 11 would do the trick.

As for brands, I saw the following: BMC, Genesis, Charge, and Specialized.

Any feedback appreciated.
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Brodie Once about $1500 - sold out for this year's model
MEC Chance about $1500
MEC Hold Steady - about $1250
Norco Ceres - about $1375
Spot Acme - about $2000
FYI,Brodie,MEC,and Norco aren't sold around here(MEC is Canada only),and Spot is mail-order only. Bike Rack used to sell Swobo,but I think they dropped them. REI can get Swobo,but again,mail-order. Performance Bike might carry Mongoose.

Just letting you know,it's always better to be able to test ride a bike first. Would suck if you bought one off the Net and didn't like it.
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norco makes an 11 speed

http://www.norco.com/bikes/city/urban/indie-igh/
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Winfried , a Dual drive hub will let you pop into a low gear when stopped , with the 3 speed IGH part
and the cassette part will give you a narrower difference choice within those 3 ranges.

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Other than the hub itself , the rest of the frame is just something to put it in.. separate choice Criteria.

Bike Friday offers the Hub in a variety of their models , Tikit and Silk offer a Belt drive option.

Not an Alfine buyer. I own a Rohloff.. It's in my Go To kit, now.

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