I Ride Bicycles, But I am Not A Cyclist.
07-19-11, 03:07 PM
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This isn't confusing.
https://colobikelaw.com/law.php
If there are no other faster vehicles, it's legal to ride two abreast. If there "many" other such vehicles, the cyclist is required to ride FRAP.
Since (obviously) whether or not there are other vehicles can change, the law has to allow people to change from riding two abreast to riding FRAP. Thus, one moves to riding single file when other (faster) vehicles show up. That is, one can't be "stubborn" about riding two abreast when there are other (faster) vehicles around.
https://colobikelaw.com/law.php
If there are no other faster vehicles, it's legal to ride two abreast. If there "many" other such vehicles, the cyclist is required to ride FRAP.
Since (obviously) whether or not there are other vehicles can change, the law has to allow people to change from riding two abreast to riding FRAP. Thus, one moves to riding single file when other (faster) vehicles show up. That is, one can't be "stubborn" about riding two abreast when there are other (faster) vehicles around.
07-20-11, 07:58 AM
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Wow. As for the "two-abreast" thing, I was talking about common sense, not law. Narrow mountain road, curvy, and riding side-by-side = not the best idea. Legality aside, if somebody comes rolling around the corner in a car or truck, it could be disastrous.
07-20-11, 08:06 AM
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As someone who rides narrow, curvy roads daily I find your "common sense" more along the lines of safety-nanny "sense". Do you assume that people drive with their eyes closed? Where do you suggest a cyclist (or two or more) ride on a narrow, curvy road?
07-20-11, 10:01 AM
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Single file maybe? And on the rightmost part of the lane (as is safe) instead of halfway or more in the lane? And sometimes I think it is a good idea to assume that some people are driving with their eyes closed... or texting, or lighting a cigarette, or messing with the CD player, or fumbling around for the afore mentioned cig after dropping it, or drunk... the list goes on.
I guess when it comes to getting plowed, I drift toward "safety-nanny" sense.
I guess when it comes to getting plowed, I drift toward "safety-nanny" sense.
07-20-11, 10:59 AM
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Too many skaters/bikers/runners/etc around here to wave or say 'hey' to each one.
I resorted to smiling at cute girls and nodding to shorts-&-t-shirt bikers who are obviously beaming with enthusiasm to be out.
Roadies are usually in their own zone anyway.
I resorted to smiling at cute girls and nodding to shorts-&-t-shirt bikers who are obviously beaming with enthusiasm to be out.
Roadies are usually in their own zone anyway.
07-20-11, 11:58 AM
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Would you call yourself a "Bi-cyclist"?
"Cycling" is the official name of the sport, and true , there are no rules in the sport to require a Cyclist to stop at a stop sign.
How about "An Ocassional Bicycler"?
The Law has you covered- You are "A Person Riding Upon a Bicycle".
I get the point of your post though. It's more than just a matter of semantics, there are subtle nuances to each term or definition used.
"Cycling" is the official name of the sport, and true , there are no rules in the sport to require a Cyclist to stop at a stop sign.
How about "An Ocassional Bicycler"?
The Law has you covered- You are "A Person Riding Upon a Bicycle".
I get the point of your post though. It's more than just a matter of semantics, there are subtle nuances to each term or definition used.
07-21-11, 12:47 AM
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Hey Charley, I feel ya, bro. Like a lot of older riders, we've been doing this long before many of today's wannabe's have been alive. I ride for my pleasure and enjoy my time on my bike. Maybe living where I do it's a non-issue with the bike nazi crowd. I rarely see anyone on a bike where I ride anyway. Heck I rarely see anyone!
I tried cycling shorts and hated them. I wear regular shorts and shirts. I also use toe clips and wear low hiking shoes (as most of my riding is off pavement). But if I ride on a paved bike path, I'm dressed the same and ride at my comfort level.
I tried cycling shorts and hated them. I wear regular shorts and shirts. I also use toe clips and wear low hiking shoes (as most of my riding is off pavement). But if I ride on a paved bike path, I'm dressed the same and ride at my comfort level.
07-21-11, 06:37 AM
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Single file maybe? And on the rightmost part of the lane (as is safe) instead of halfway or more in the lane? And sometimes I think it is a good idea to assume that some people are driving with their eyes closed... or texting, or lighting a cigarette, or messing with the CD player, or fumbling around for the afore mentioned cig after dropping it, or drunk... the list goes on.
I guess when it comes to getting plowed, I drift toward "safety-nanny" sense.
I guess when it comes to getting plowed, I drift toward "safety-nanny" sense.
07-21-11, 07:06 AM
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Whoa, JoeJack, don't remember proclaiming I was smarter than anyone. If you are cool riding in the middle of the road, good on ya. Go right ahead. I'll stay to the right of the lane. Makes me less likely to get ran over, and gives you plenty of room to pass me up, seeing as how I'm a newb and all.
Where exactly did I say I was smarter. That way I can reword it so it doesn't come off that way, 'cause I am definitely not smarter than anybody else here...
Where exactly did I say I was smarter. That way I can reword it so it doesn't come off that way, 'cause I am definitely not smarter than anybody else here...
07-21-11, 07:15 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the implication here is that it's "common sense" to stay right. You know this. The cyclists you've seen not riding where you think they should don't know this. Ergo, you are smarter than them.
07-21-11, 11:39 AM
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hi CharleyGnarly!, let me introduce myself. my name is huey...
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joejack, if you think I think I am smarter than everybody else by that statement, sorry you took it that way. If a person thinks it makes more sense to ride in the middle of the lane as opposed to the right, fine with me. Let's just call it a difference of opinion. The remark was not intended as a proclamation of superior intelligence, but it stands.
Huey, hello, my name is Charley.
Huey, hello, my name is Charley.
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I don't visit this site much as you can see by my quantity of posts. So, with that in mind, feel free to totally disregard what I say. I realize that I am jeopardizing any hope of further help on this site, but I am willing to take the risk.
I have noticed some things in the cycling world here in my town, and on the various forums I subscribe to, so I will share, and hopefully explain why I don't consider myself a "cyclist."
1. I have noticed that the more bent over a person is on his/her bike, and the more colorful and complicated the "kit" he/she wears, the less likely they are to offer up a "good morning," or a friendly wave.
2. Conversely, a person on a low-budget bike, wearing shorts and a t-shirt, or tanktop, is more likely to be smiling, and quicker to offer up one of the aforementioned pleasantries.
3. Many cyclists claim a desire to "share the road", but in truth harbor a hog-the-road approach. Example: Curvy, mountain road, two lanes. Plenty of blind corners. Group of cyclists riding three or four abreast. Really? And if somebody gets hit, it's the drivers fault? Common sense people...
4. For many, especially in the cyber world, there is next to no tolerance of diversity in bikes, riding styles, etc. If your seat is lower than your bars (yes, seat, not saddle... holdover from my BMX years... sorry) you obviously don't know what you are doing and should just stay home. Bike paths, bike lanes, and roads are for cyclists... not the average joe.
5. If you buy your bike with less than top of the line parts, and, God forbid, decide to upgrade the bike you have with better parts, well, what are you thinking? Cripes for the piece of junk you are upgrading you could spend another $2000.00 and just get a real bike.
6. If and when you join a "cycling" forum, don't ask any questions. You will get one of the following: "Look it up dummy... the search function is your friend;" or, "Whatever you are looking for is junk, or not what I use, therefore inferior;" or, your thread will get totally hijacked and the original question will got lost in a huge argument.
Obviously, the above doesn't hold true for all the wonderful folks who enjoy riding bicycles. Unfortunately, it comes across this way way too often. It seems as if the hardcore cyclist types, or the ones that want to come off this way, fall into some, or all, of these categories. People preach the benefits of cycling as a lifestyle, but come across as snobs at times. That can be a real turn-off for newbies.
An example of what I am talking about could be summed up with one experience I witnessed some time back. I was tooling along on my MTB, having a jolly time. Up ahead was a mom with an infant car seat, with her other small child up ahead on his bike. Both mom and child were cruising along, staying in their lane, enjoying a lovely day. As I approached them, I heard the tell-tale sound of high-end buzzing coming up behind. Sure enough, a small group of cyclists, road variety, zipped by, resplendent in there colorful, professional looking kit, carbon fiber glittering in the sun. As the leader approached the mom and kids he shouted "Why don't you get off the f***ing path, MOM!"
Great way to spread the word, dood...
I have noticed some things in the cycling world here in my town, and on the various forums I subscribe to, so I will share, and hopefully explain why I don't consider myself a "cyclist."
1. I have noticed that the more bent over a person is on his/her bike, and the more colorful and complicated the "kit" he/she wears, the less likely they are to offer up a "good morning," or a friendly wave.
2. Conversely, a person on a low-budget bike, wearing shorts and a t-shirt, or tanktop, is more likely to be smiling, and quicker to offer up one of the aforementioned pleasantries.
3. Many cyclists claim a desire to "share the road", but in truth harbor a hog-the-road approach. Example: Curvy, mountain road, two lanes. Plenty of blind corners. Group of cyclists riding three or four abreast. Really? And if somebody gets hit, it's the drivers fault? Common sense people...
4. For many, especially in the cyber world, there is next to no tolerance of diversity in bikes, riding styles, etc. If your seat is lower than your bars (yes, seat, not saddle... holdover from my BMX years... sorry) you obviously don't know what you are doing and should just stay home. Bike paths, bike lanes, and roads are for cyclists... not the average joe.
5. If you buy your bike with less than top of the line parts, and, God forbid, decide to upgrade the bike you have with better parts, well, what are you thinking? Cripes for the piece of junk you are upgrading you could spend another $2000.00 and just get a real bike.
6. If and when you join a "cycling" forum, don't ask any questions. You will get one of the following: "Look it up dummy... the search function is your friend;" or, "Whatever you are looking for is junk, or not what I use, therefore inferior;" or, your thread will get totally hijacked and the original question will got lost in a huge argument.
Obviously, the above doesn't hold true for all the wonderful folks who enjoy riding bicycles. Unfortunately, it comes across this way way too often. It seems as if the hardcore cyclist types, or the ones that want to come off this way, fall into some, or all, of these categories. People preach the benefits of cycling as a lifestyle, but come across as snobs at times. That can be a real turn-off for newbies.
An example of what I am talking about could be summed up with one experience I witnessed some time back. I was tooling along on my MTB, having a jolly time. Up ahead was a mom with an infant car seat, with her other small child up ahead on his bike. Both mom and child were cruising along, staying in their lane, enjoying a lovely day. As I approached them, I heard the tell-tale sound of high-end buzzing coming up behind. Sure enough, a small group of cyclists, road variety, zipped by, resplendent in there colorful, professional looking kit, carbon fiber glittering in the sun. As the leader approached the mom and kids he shouted "Why don't you get off the f***ing path, MOM!"
Great way to spread the word, dood...
And most of what you say is at least partly true. But you sound like Groucho Marx, famous for his line, "(sic)I wouldn't join a club that would allow me to be a member." Or worse, the guy who says he doesn't go to church because those darned, hypocritical Christians are always there.
Not to sound smarmy, but you have to be the example for others, not find the fault in those who don't meet your measure.
Just sayin' dood...
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I don't visit this site much as you can see by my quantity of posts. So, with that in mind, feel free to totally disregard what I say. I realize that I am jeopardizing any hope of further help on this site, but I am willing to take the risk.
I have noticed some things in the cycling world here in my town, and on the various forums I subscribe to, so I will share, and hopefully explain why I don't consider myself a "cyclist."
1. I have noticed that the more bent over a person is on his/her bike, and the more colorful and complicated the "kit" he/she wears, the less likely they are to offer up a "good morning," or a friendly wave.
2. Conversely, a person on a low-budget bike, wearing shorts and a t-shirt, or tanktop, is more likely to be smiling, and quicker to offer up one of the aforementioned pleasantries.
3. Many cyclists claim a desire to "share the road", but in truth harbor a hog-the-road approach. Example: Curvy, mountain road, two lanes. Plenty of blind corners. Group of cyclists riding three or four abreast. Really? And if somebody gets hit, it's the drivers fault? Common sense people...
4. For many, especially in the cyber world, there is next to no tolerance of diversity in bikes, riding styles, etc. If your seat is lower than your bars (yes, seat, not saddle... holdover from my BMX years... sorry) you obviously don't know what you are doing and should just stay home. Bike paths, bike lanes, and roads are for cyclists... not the average joe.
5. If you buy your bike with less than top of the line parts, and, God forbid, decide to upgrade the bike you have with better parts, well, what are you thinking? Cripes for the piece of junk you are upgrading you could spend another $2000.00 and just get a real bike.
6. If and when you join a "cycling" forum, don't ask any questions. You will get one of the following: "Look it up dummy... the search function is your friend;" or, "Whatever you are looking for is junk, or not what I use, therefore inferior;" or, your thread will get totally hijacked and the original question will got lost in a huge argument.
Obviously, the above doesn't hold true for all the wonderful folks who enjoy riding bicycles. Unfortunately, it comes across this way way too often. It seems as if the hardcore cyclist types, or the ones that want to come off this way, fall into some, or all, of these categories. People preach the benefits of cycling as a lifestyle, but come across as snobs at times. That can be a real turn-off for newbies.
An example of what I am talking about could be summed up with one experience I witnessed some time back. I was tooling along on my MTB, having a jolly time. Up ahead was a mom with an infant car seat, with her other small child up ahead on his bike. Both mom and child were cruising along, staying in their lane, enjoying a lovely day. As I approached them, I heard the tell-tale sound of high-end buzzing coming up behind. Sure enough, a small group of cyclists, road variety, zipped by, resplendent in there colorful, professional looking kit, carbon fiber glittering in the sun. As the leader approached the mom and kids he shouted "Why don't you get off the f***ing path, MOM!"
Great way to spread the word, dood...
I have noticed some things in the cycling world here in my town, and on the various forums I subscribe to, so I will share, and hopefully explain why I don't consider myself a "cyclist."
1. I have noticed that the more bent over a person is on his/her bike, and the more colorful and complicated the "kit" he/she wears, the less likely they are to offer up a "good morning," or a friendly wave.
2. Conversely, a person on a low-budget bike, wearing shorts and a t-shirt, or tanktop, is more likely to be smiling, and quicker to offer up one of the aforementioned pleasantries.
3. Many cyclists claim a desire to "share the road", but in truth harbor a hog-the-road approach. Example: Curvy, mountain road, two lanes. Plenty of blind corners. Group of cyclists riding three or four abreast. Really? And if somebody gets hit, it's the drivers fault? Common sense people...
4. For many, especially in the cyber world, there is next to no tolerance of diversity in bikes, riding styles, etc. If your seat is lower than your bars (yes, seat, not saddle... holdover from my BMX years... sorry) you obviously don't know what you are doing and should just stay home. Bike paths, bike lanes, and roads are for cyclists... not the average joe.
5. If you buy your bike with less than top of the line parts, and, God forbid, decide to upgrade the bike you have with better parts, well, what are you thinking? Cripes for the piece of junk you are upgrading you could spend another $2000.00 and just get a real bike.
6. If and when you join a "cycling" forum, don't ask any questions. You will get one of the following: "Look it up dummy... the search function is your friend;" or, "Whatever you are looking for is junk, or not what I use, therefore inferior;" or, your thread will get totally hijacked and the original question will got lost in a huge argument.
Obviously, the above doesn't hold true for all the wonderful folks who enjoy riding bicycles. Unfortunately, it comes across this way way too often. It seems as if the hardcore cyclist types, or the ones that want to come off this way, fall into some, or all, of these categories. People preach the benefits of cycling as a lifestyle, but come across as snobs at times. That can be a real turn-off for newbies.
An example of what I am talking about could be summed up with one experience I witnessed some time back. I was tooling along on my MTB, having a jolly time. Up ahead was a mom with an infant car seat, with her other small child up ahead on his bike. Both mom and child were cruising along, staying in their lane, enjoying a lovely day. As I approached them, I heard the tell-tale sound of high-end buzzing coming up behind. Sure enough, a small group of cyclists, road variety, zipped by, resplendent in there colorful, professional looking kit, carbon fiber glittering in the sun. As the leader approached the mom and kids he shouted "Why don't you get off the f***ing path, MOM!"
Great way to spread the word, dood...
I've never met a cyclist like that. Methinks you're making this up if you think every one of us is like that.
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