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Old 08-29-11, 02:25 AM   #1
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What you hate about other cyclists' rant.

Tell me what eats you up regarding other cyclists, here's two of my faves:

1. Cyclists who zoom past me without any verbal or nonverbal ("ding!") warning and usually within inches of my bike. I ask, would you like a car to do the same to you, stupid cyclist?!

2. Cyclists who ride scary Blvds in town without wearing a helmet or bright colors. Hawthorne Blvd (SE Portland) is the area where I see this action the most. Please stop this, ride quiet streets, not war zones without protection or visibility!!!

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yes, I hate both of those rants.
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Way too many of them are way too much faster than I.
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yes, I hate both of those rants.
me too
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I can't think of any cyclists' rant that I like.
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Tell me what eats you up regarding other cyclists...
Hmm....The one thing that comes to mind right now is the cyclist so focused upon his own riding style that other types of cyclist are "invisible", and their needs don't matter.
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A lack of coherency in their rants.
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A lack of coherency in their rants.
If coherent, would it still be a rant?
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Riding two abreast on roads with a narrow shoulder. It's just a ****ty way to act and angers all drivers against the rest of us.

Mountain bikers on single trail who don't thank the other rider for moving off the trail. It's just common courtesy.
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Riding two abreast on roads with a narrow shoulder. It's just a ****ty way to act and angers all drivers against the rest of us.
If there isn't room for a motor vehicle to safely share the lane with one bike, requiring crossing the line to pass, what difference does two make?

From some of these rants, I feel like I am in a car forum, not a bike forum.
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I'm confused. Do you hate those two things mentioned in the OP, or do you hate reading others' ranting about them?
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I hate rants that devolve into recommendations for some sort of violent vigilante justice.
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If there isn't room for a motor vehicle to safely share the lane with one bike, requiring crossing the line to pass, what difference does two make?

From some of these rants, I feel like I am in a car forum, not a bike forum.
Where have you ever been that a car cannot safely pass at some point? I ride plenty of narrow canyons with no shoulder. There's always a place for the cars to pass using a few feet of the other lane. American roads are practically always at least 20' wide. An H1 - probably the widest passenger car is under 87", so even two H1's passing on a 20' road have over 5' of roadway to allocate to space between them and room for a biker. The narrowest most paving machines will go down to is 8' per pass, so that would be a 16' roadway. Still plenty of room for an H1 to pass with a little of the other lane, and plenty of room for two typical passenger cars to pass with a biker. Yes it would be tight, but the I'm not buying the claim that there's not room to pass. Not based in reality of any road I'd consider biking on.

Even if you happen to find some obscure road that's 14 feet wide, the car is going to pass. It's just a question of how close you want to be to it.

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Where have you ever been that a car cannot safely pass at some point? I ride plenty of narrow canyons with no shoulder. There's always a place for the cars to pass using a few feet of the other lane. American roads are practically always at least 20' wide. An H1 - probably the widest passenger car is under 87", so even two H1's passing on a 20' road have over 5' of roadway to allocate to space between them and room for a biker. The narrowest most paving machines will go down to is 8' per pass, so that would be a 16' roadway. Still plenty of room for an H1 to pass with a little of the other lane, and plenty of room for two typical passenger cars to pass with a biker. Yes it would be tight, but the I'm not buying the claim that there's not room to pass. Not based in reality of any road I'd consider biking on.

Even if you happen to find some obscure road that's 14 feet wide, the car is going to pass. It's just a question of how close you want to be to it.
I have been on many roads where it is difficult to pass one rider, much less two. Have you ever left the flatlands? Most roads here in northwest AR and southwest MO are well under 20 feet. Factor in blind curves, rolling hills and both cattle trailers AND texting soccer moms and yes, there are places on my daily ride that I would not want to pass. And if you lived here, those roads would be about your only option for cycling.
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Where have you ever been that a car cannot safely pass at some point? I ride plenty of narrow canyons with no shoulder. There's always a place for the cars to pass using a few feet of the other lane.
duh, so obviously there was not room to share the lane safely.

If there is not room to share the lane with one bike safely, requiring the driver to cross into the other lane, then obviously another cyclist in that lane isn't going to make any difference...the driver still has to move into the other lane. This is one reason why many state laws specifically allow bikes to ride two-abreast.

I assume you are one of those drivers who thinks if they are only a few feet in the other lane, oncoming traffic is supposed to get out of the way for you? News flash - you're doing it wrong...and illegally.
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I have been on many roads where it is difficult to pass one rider, much less two. Have you ever left the flatlands? Most roads here in northwest AR and southwest MO are well under 20 feet. Factor in blind curves, rolling hills and both cattle trailers AND texting soccer moms and yes, there are places on my daily ride that I would not want to pass. And if you lived here, those roads would be about your only option for cycling.
Did you say MO and AR are not flatland? I guess it's all relative. Grew up in Montana, now live in Utah. I road the Wasatch Crest trail twice this weekend. Climbs up to 9,900ft and back down to about 4,000. I live at the base of the canyon and part of the way down is on the canyon road. It's windy, no shoulder, still plenty of room to pass safely. Not everywhere, but there are lots of opportunities to pass, and cars pass me all the time.

Trying to somehow block them by riding side by side is stupid, asking to get hurt, AND makes life difficult for the rest of us.
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Did you say MO and AR are not flatland? I guess it's all relative. Grew up in Montana, now live in Utah. I road the Wasatch Crest trail twice this weekend. Climbs up to 9,900ft and back down to about 4,000. I live at the base of the canyon and part of the way down is on the canyon road. It's windy, no shoulder, still plenty of room to pass safely. Not everywhere, but there are lots of opportunities to pass, and cars pass me all the time.

Trying to somehow block them by riding side by side is stupid, asking to get hurt, AND makes life difficult for the rest of us.
Its funny, when I leave the ozarks to ride in Nebraska or Kansas, it takes a day or so to get used to not coasting every five minutes. All the little rollers do add up, but there are no good long climbs other than Mount Magazine, or Petit Jean(and before you make fun, they are little things, but we love them). there are several roads that are double yellow for over five miles at a stretch, long enough for most people to get pretty enraged. The shear number of little blind hills are what keeps some drivers from passing, though most still do regardless of safety. Sorry for the Flatlands remark, I thought I read Ohio on your info. I was in Bowling Green for a few days and got numb riding over the same overpass again and again...

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I probably get the most irritated<amused about someone griping that thier inner city commute is not handy enough. The busses front racks are to hard, the bike lane is to dangerous, the drivers want to kill them. The first time I took a bike to Chicago I rode from Shaumberg to downtown and back for five days in a row. I was ready for some sort of mad max thing, were everyone was actively trying to kill me. It was shocking that for the first time in my riding life drivers mostly made eye contact, yielded, very seldom right hooked me, nothing very much was thrown at me, and most gratifying, the one person who did yell abuse was easy to understand, because they had the courtesy to slow down a bit. There were no big farm dogs, and the canadian geese that attacked me were so fun I actualy turned around and went back for another pass. On following trips to other citys I have learned that when a driver in an urban enviroment almost kills you, at least they were probably trying. That personal attention can't be beat.
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Wearing helmets and bright colors should be mandatory!

The life saved by these practices may be more than that of your own...

I just hate it when I'm passed closely by another cyclist, but not warned...
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Its funny, when I leave the ozarks to ride in Nebraska or Kansas, it takes a day or so to get used to not coasting every five minutes. All the little rollers do add up, but there are no good long climbs other than Mount Magazine, or Petit Jean(and before you make fun, they are little things, but we love them). there are several roads that are double yellow for over five miles at a stretch, long enough for most people to get pretty enraged. The shear number of little blind hills are what keeps some drivers from passing, though most still do regardless of safety. Sorry for the Flatlands remark, I thought I read Ohio on your info. I was in Bowling Green for a few days and got numb riding over the same overpass again and again...
No worries. Most of my extended family live in Iowa. I think my commute has more total elevation change than you can find in all of Iowa.

I'm thinking driving is just different around here? On an average trip up the canyons around here you'd probably pass 20 or more bikers depending on the day. No one waits for passing lanes. Traffic is about 35mph and you just slip over enough to go bye and and the drivers going the other way make enough room for you. Much like passing a tractors on rural roads. It's dangerous when people try to double up because it then squeezes the other shoulder and riders on the other side, and it annoys the drivers. If we want more bike lanes, it really helps to have the general public like cyclists.

Also Salt Lake City has the second highest Auto-Pedestrian death rate per capita in the nation. I don't recall who was first. Something like 29% of auto related fatalities are pedestrians. If you ride in the road thinking you're going to slow down traffic and make it safer, there's a good chance you'll end up as a speed bump.
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Driving probably is very different. I have never really seen more than two other cyclists on a ride. So that means that drivers don't either. They really don't know how to deal with one. So terrain is a factor, but driver familiarity probably more so.
See, this is why I should not do forums, they can give you new ways to think about things.

I doubt that bike lanes will ever be the norm here, they are mostly installing rumble strips everywhere.
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Rants blow! It gets worse when it is on the BF, then turns into A&S.
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