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Old 11-29-04, 10:05 PM   #1
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Considerate cyclist no more!!! <<rant>>

Ever since I've started cycling I've tried to be considerate of motorist staying out of thier way careful not to piss anyone off. Yeah, I zoom in and out of traffic, but never enough to slow any of the cars around me. That is until today. Motorist could give a flying **** whether I live or die, so long as they are on time to pick up that pizza thats waiting for them.

Today I was biking to work as I usually do and started to make a left turn at an intersection when I noticed there was a black mercedes coming towards me going REALLY fast, I braked and either my brakes locked up or she hit my front tire, but all I remember is flipping over my handlebars and landing on the ground on my hands and knees hoping the car will stop before it runs me over with its back tires.

Now it was an accident, yeah she was going way to fast and hit me, but thats not what pisses me off. I got up, being considerate to let her know I was okay and she just stayed in her car looking at me like I was an idiot. I got up to move out of the intersection and she drove off. Yep...drove off. My knee was in terrible pain, my cycling tights shredded and covered in blood, thank god I was wearing gloves or my hands would have been shredded as well.

On the plus side lots of people saw what happened and quite a few of them pulled over to make sure I was alright. After about ten minutes of moaning in pain I hopped on my bike and got to work late.

Figures today was the day I forgot my helmet at work. I'm lucky I survived all this. Aside from my tights being ruined and my chainguard being bent I got out of this pretty good, but it could have gone so much more badly.

To sum all this up, motorist dont care about my life or welfare so I could give a flying **** about whether they get home in time to see The Biggest Loser. And if someone hits me again, I'm throwing my bike through thier winshield before they have a chance to drive off.
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Old 11-29-04, 10:16 PM   #2
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I hear you. Motorists suck. They are usually better than that ***** though. She hit you, then drove off? Did anybody get her license plate number? I would prosecute to the fullest extent. That's the worst. I can see a motorist being a moron and not paying attention, but to know what they did, then drive off? That's bad. Glad to hear you're still alive.
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Old 11-29-04, 10:21 PM   #3
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So...they're raging idiots and now you'll be one too? Wonderful; that'll sure make the world a better place.

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Old 11-29-04, 11:26 PM   #4
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I say ride defensively, but don't make an *ss of yourself. Traffic laws and such become relative when they become contrary to what keeps you safe. Meaning, stay considerate but watch your tail and do what's necessary in compromising situations.
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I feel for you. That motorist deserves much more than you can give. I got hit once, but this person was nice enough to drive me to the hospital after I said I did not need it. Living where I do (West La) I have dodged many Mercedes. And I have learned that it does not matter who, what or where you are, they "own" the road. Word to the wise, never get out of the way of someone who hit you and stopped afterwards. Get info if you can, I got $350 out of my accident (really, just enough to fix my bike) Similar situation happened to my cousin, he was crossing a street and someone turned left and clipped his rear tire. Luckily he was fine and so was his bike, but the driver took off. My cousin took off on his bike in pursuit and caught the driver at a red light, where he proceeded to kick in the passenger side door. The driver then took off with much damage to his car. The driver got away with what he deserved, but I was very surprised my cousin did not end up in jail. Anyway right or wrong I always look out for cars and give them the right of way, (matter of survival in West LA)
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So...they're raging idiots and now you'll be one too? Wonderful; that'll sure make the world a better place.

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Where in my post did I say I was becoming a raging idiot? If I get hit again, I'm going to throw my bike at thier car...I'll smile when I do it, I promise.

But in all seriousness, I will be more alert in the future (not that I wasn't already), I just found that I went out of my way to "not piss people off" by yielding my right of way, even when excercising it would be safe.

Turnabout is fairplay in my book. If they don't care about my life (which they don't) I don't care about getting out of thier way. Its my lane!!! Yeah, I'm a little grumpy, I'll get over it.
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I think the best thing to do is to take a vehicular cycling course, or read some of the works of John Allen and John Forester. I deal with idiots like this one everyday (now that I'm home again), and it doesn't require you to go out of your way to make an ass of yourself. Just learn to be assertive where appropriate and leave it at that. If you get too much crap, call the cops.
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Ever since I've started cycling I've tried to be considerate of motorist staying out of thier way careful not to piss anyone off. Yeah, I zoom in and out of traffic, but never enough to slow any of the cars around me. That is until today. Motorist could give a flying **** whether I live or die, so long as they are on time to pick up that pizza thats waiting for them.

Today I was biking to work as I usually do and started to make a left turn at an intersection when I noticed there was a black mercedes coming towards me going REALLY fast, I braked and either my brakes locked up or she hit my front tire, but all I remember is flipping over my handlebars and landing on the ground on my hands and knees hoping the car will stop before it runs me over with its back tires.

Now it was an accident, yeah she was going way to fast and hit me, but thats not what pisses me off. I got up, being considerate to let her know I was okay and she just stayed in her car looking at me like I was an idiot. I got up to move out of the intersection and she drove off. Yep...drove off. My knee was in terrible pain, my cycling tights shredded and covered in blood, thank god I was wearing gloves or my hands would have been shredded as well.

On the plus side lots of people saw what happened and quite a few of them pulled over to make sure I was alright. After about ten minutes of moaning in pain I hopped on my bike and got to work late.

Figures today was the day I forgot my helmet at work. I'm lucky I survived all this. Aside from my tights being ruined and my chainguard being bent I got out of this pretty good, but it could have gone so much more badly.

To sum all this up, motorist dont care about my life or welfare so I could give a flying **** about whether they get home in time to see The Biggest Loser. And if someone hits me again, I'm throwing my bike through thier winshield before they have a chance to drive off.
Your description of the accident indicates that you crossed the other vehicle's "right of way"

But the driver should have remained at the scene of the accident.

No remaining witnesses. It's all in the past now. . .
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Old 11-30-04, 06:53 AM   #9
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It is virtually always a BAD idea to make a left turn when a car is coming at you.

Glad you weren't hurt too badly.
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Old 11-30-04, 07:39 AM   #10
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Ok, let's be fair. Calling the cops is rarely useful unless you're bleeding (like in this case) and even then it can be questionable as to whose side they'll take. I don't say this to be a cops-suck *******, but on more than one occassion, I've pulled cops over or come up to them at red lights after they've pulled some ridiculous move that's both dangerous and illegal relative to my right to the road. Rarely do they believe or take seriously the cyclist's right to use the road as defined by law.

Junior, as stated before and as you're doing, the best thing to do is stay alert. Know that not every driver is a prick and even those who are actually would rather you not die. The sad fact is people are casual about operating a machine that can very easily maim or kill. She probably saw that you weren't mortally wounded and figured at that point there was no good served by her hanging around. You probably had insurance (right? sure!) and there was no point for her to get embroiled in that mess. I'm sure it wasn't quite so clear or rational but that's sort of the attitude. "Holy ****!! Good, not dead! I gotta get out of here!" It's hard to remember when you're laying on the ground, but the best you can do is try to obstruct their progress (ie, if they're stopped, get in front of the car) and get the plate number immediately. Not that I'm particularly good at this myself...just sayin.

Glad to hear that at least you're not dead or seriously injured.
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Old 11-30-04, 08:20 AM   #11
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that happened to me a few years ago, but mine was a saab. i actually had black paint on my teeth from her car. she took off before i got off the fround, and i got to buy a completely new frame and front wheel. la isn't the most bike-friendly area around, either. glad you're ok.
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Old 11-30-04, 10:55 AM   #12
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Got hit once & I wouldn't leave her path. The cops showed up & when I moved she tried to drive off with the cops right there. Did not improve her status among the cops. Incidently the accident happened near an area with prostitutes so the cops showed up fast. Scary undercover cops.

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Old 11-30-04, 01:13 PM   #13
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The new thing for me is when i'm riding over to the right side and needing to make a left,i wait until i'm within a couple 100 feet and slowly move to the center to go left. Now cars are passing me on my left just before i turn left. Something bad is going to happen and its going to happen to me.
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That "when do I get in the left lane" question is a real puzzle. I try and ride the speed of traffic and take the whole lane. But if somebody trys to squeeze by, what can you do, stick out your elbow? If I think traffic is too dangerous, I'll turn left early at a light, then ride on the sidewalk to get to my real turn. But I've been pulled over for riding on the sidewalk - and the speedlimit there is 35 so people think it is ok to go 50 if traffic is light. Ugh, what a connundrum. Ride safe!!!
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Old 12-01-04, 11:46 AM   #16
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Okay, so its been a few days, I've cooled down and am seeing things with a much clearer head. The reason I was angry wasnt so much that I got hit, accidents happen, it was just that the woman didnt even roll down her window to see if I was okay. That's just messed up.

Now I've found I communicate much more with the drivers around me letting them know what I'm going to do and thus far its worked quite well.

Truth be told I'm still gunshy and freak out whenever a car gets near me, but I'm getting better.
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Motorists have a hard time realizing there is anything outside of their automobile. They are the only ones that exist. Period.

I got cut off one morning by a car service driver (for those in NYC, one of those LTD black cars) and he had to stop to let some pedestrians cross, so he came to a dead stop in front of me, and after i slammed on my brakes, yelled, rang my bell over and over, he still didn't notice anything. I reached out and slapped him on the arm, only then did he notice me. It's a bummer.

Glad you're in one piece, juniorOverlord (if that is your real name.)
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