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    I wouldn't attack a bike thief like that The cops and a prosecutor will put you under the jail for doing that.

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    Yes, it has to be pointed out that there is a big difference between using force to defend your property and attacking someone after they have stopped trying to steal your bike.

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    wut, logic? does not compute....

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    in reality I have had a bike stolen I WANTED to beat the crap out of the guy but he ended up being bigger than me so I brought over my neighbor who was a marine and he beat the crap out of the guy. That was a long time ago now I would just restrain him for the police if he was stealing my bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc0yef View Post
    in reality I have had a bike stolen I WANTED to beat the crap out of the guy but he ended up being bigger than me so I brought over my neighbor who was a marine and he beat the crap out of the guy. That was a long time ago now I would just restrain him for the police if he was stealing my bike
    Just how would you restrain someone who didn't want to be restrained?

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    Quote Originally Posted by achoo View Post
    Just how would you restrain someone who didn't want to be restrained?
    Now that's a very interesting question you got there, Achoo!

    I'd like to hear the answer to that question, myself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by achoo View Post
    Just how would you restrain someone who didn't want to be restrained?

    Kimber makes a fairly effective product for that.
    "It's the 41. If you don't have cool stuff, you suck. If you have cool stuff, you still suck" - Velo Gator

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    Mymojo says:

    Kimber makes a fairly effective product for that.

    Oh No!...Not Kimber!..That's kinda permanent for a restraint, wouldn't you agree?

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    In the old days if you stole somebodys ride it was a serious crime , they would catch you and hang you. What about today ?? Political correctness rules, Lawyers and Human rights rule this world... Sad, sad sad !! I hate criminals....and I hate Lawyers who defend criminal scumbags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    Political correctness rules, Lawyers and Human rights rule this world... Sad, sad sad !! I hate criminals....and I hate Lawyers who defend criminal scumbags.
    Indeed. I was talking with a lawyer about what he was supposed to do if, say, he knew his client were guilty of murder. His response: "the crime has already been committed; there's nothing I can do about it."

    Basically, it's a big conflict of interest to be an ethical lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratzinger View Post
    Yes, it has to be pointed out that there is a big difference between using force to defend your property and attacking someone after they have stopped trying to steal your bike.
    You've just got to make your first couple of shots at the guy really good. Never mind, you'd still go to jail for excessive force.

    Criminals deserve whatever force they receive. We're way too soft on crime in this country.

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    ethical lawyer
    the biggest oxymoron you'll ever see bar none.
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    I apologize for my Tardy response I would restrain him with either my words( doubtful ) or my size I am 6'5" 265 (probable) If however he is again bigger or faster then again I will find a marine and go visit him...
    PC can kiss my ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymojo View Post
    Kimber makes a fairly effective product for that.
    So in 1911 was born the stuff of legend and again in 45

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    My two cents: the recidivism rate in the U.S. is awful- meaning that punishment for a crime generally doesn't change behavior. Doesn't really work with kids either. Problem with criminals is they have a lack of empathy and I don't know that they learn it by being treated harshly as in this video. I don't know that I know the perfect solution to problems and some people will be bad no matter how you treat them. And I'm not saying that I wouldn't do anything if I saw someone stealing my bike, but I would hope that I would be able to turn the other cheek. Patience, humility and meekness are not the same as weakness. I once saw meekness defined as "absolute power under complete control". I feel bad for those who commit these types of crimes as I imagine they are not really very happy and I pray that somehow God can intervene in their lives. Many of them were probably treated poorly as children and could benefit a lot from some compassion- and I'm not talking about ignoring their bad behavior but trying to look beyond the outward manifestation.

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    The idea that "scumbag" criminals shouldn't have lawyers flies in the face of the very reason why we have such a good justice system.
    Everyone has the right to a defense. There are countries where you are tried and put in jail, or killed, for something that you said, because you are a threat to the government, because you are a political opponent etc...
    It's vitally important, for everyone, that the worst criminals have a fair trial, and usually that means that they need a lawyer.

    If we lived in a world where the worst criminals don't get lawyers, eventually we would see people who aren't criminals denied legal defense. It's all of nothing.

    I'm not saying that the justice system can't be criticized, but the solutions that people suggest here would make any of us vulnerable to an un-just justice system. And to suggest that Political Correctness is what stops us from hanging thieves? What do you even understand political correctness to be? If someone stole my bike, I would not want them hanged, and political correctness has nothing to do with it.

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