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Old 10-24-11, 11:29 PM   #151
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but then... I could just look up the seat post specs and find that it is 27.2 mm which is something you can only get with a butted chromoly tube set. Straight gauge frames have a smaller ID and you could not get carbon steel butted like this without causing structural issues.
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And here's another thing to throw into the thread, the Trek Sawyer. Made from "Custom-butted Platinum Series chromoly steel".

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes.../sawyer/sawyer
I'd say either of these are good enough proof to safely assume that the Lane is Chromoly, and of course, Slim happens to overlook them.
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Old 10-24-11, 11:30 PM   #152
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Again... you don't know what you are talking about.
No. You don't know what you're talking about...Which is shameful, since you've been "in the business" for so long.

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Please look up the working definition of high tensile steel as it applies to
industry and not according to how many bike makers advertised their carbon steel
frames as being high tensile as although they were being truthful... 1020 and
2030 are high tensile... every other steel used in bicycle construction is also
high tensile whether it is chromoly, butted chromoly, or stainless.
I don't have to reference anything that I'm well-versed in, Sixty!

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The steel you find on lower end bikes is high tensile carbon steel and many
manufacturers promoted the high tensile aspect to promote their bicycles and
frames.
Well if you're already aware of that fact....What are we talking about?...You're simply highlighting the technical aspect or definition, of the term "high tensile". The technical definition and how it's tested in the laboratory, is different from its common usage. C'mon! Let's move on from that! It's far too simplistic!

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Better bicycles have high tensile chromoly frames although tube makers do not
usually attach "high tensile" to their labels as this causes an association with
lower end bikes.
Again! If you're already aware of that fact, then what are we talking about?

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Trek Platinum series is butted chromoly and by definition is high tensile.
Yes! Thanks to the Sawyer example, we all know that now! However, they did neglect to include that fact on the website page where the Steel Cross Lane was being featured. The Trek customer service people, still have no idea about the frame of the Lane. The sales people on the ground are completely clueless! Had it not been for for their incompetence, this thread would be invisible. They made all of this possible!

Here are just a few sites for you to study so that you will be better informed as to what is traditionally considered as "Hi-Tensile" steel, and what is commonly distinguished from HT steel, and called, "Chromoly" steel:

www.runmuki.com/commute/bikesuggestions.html

www.rei.com./expertadvice/articles/bike+frame+materials.html

www.brightspoke.com/c/understanding/bike-frame-materials.html

- Slim

PS.

Once again, Sixty! ..There's Hi-tensile steel generally used for the lower end bicycles and there's "Chromoly" steel used for the higher end bicycles.

* Of course, one must always remember that all of these steels have relatively high tensile strengths. They therefore, can only be technically referred to as "hi-tensile", while in the laboratory, or when speaking to your professional peers.

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Okay that's enough. Slim, please leave this thread. Others, please do not reply to his posts after my posting. Thank you.
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I'd say either of these are good enough proof to safely assume that the Lane is Chromoly, and of course, Slim happens to overlook them.
Not only that, but he got all pi$$ed when the LBS sales guy told him the Lane is Chromoly and left without riding the bike.

This reminds me alot of politics, since the facts don't fit the original position (that the Lane is little more than an expensive Walmart bike), the facts are ignored or dismissed.
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well, I think the net result of this entire thread for most readers is that Trek comes out of it looking pretty good.
I have nothing to do with Trek, never owned one, was not a dealer for them when I ran my shop, but the one occasion I had to contact them did give me the warm fuzzies.
I had a customer come in with an almost new full suspension Trek mountain bike with a lot of play in the suspension pivots. He had taken it to the dealer he bought the bike from, but was not filled with confidence by the responses he got there, so he brought it to me.
I quickly diagnosed the problem as cartridge bearings that did not fit snugly in the holes.My usual fix for such situations is a dose of Loctite 680, but I thought, what the heck, I'll call up Trek and see what they say.
After describing the situation to a customer service rep, he told me, without having to check with anyone else, that they were supposed to be set with Loctite 680 at the factory, and that one must have slipped through.
He told me to go ahead with the repair and forward the bill to them.
A service rep obviously knowledgeable in their processes, and authorized to cover costs incurred at a shop not in their dealer network.
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