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CaptCarrot 11-08-11 07:30 PM

Compact Cycle Lock (plus cable?) - which one or your recommendation.
 
Wasn't sure whether to post this in A&S, road or utility so it ended up here.

I am looking for a compact but secure lock.

So far I have seen the
Which would you recommend? Feel free to add your own choice.

americanlt2 11-08-11 10:45 PM

I would pick the Kryptonite Evolution Mini. I had the Onguard mini and the plastic cracked off of it & I was surprised to see very little actual lock. The Onguard lock also occasionally got jammed. I believe Abus and Kryptonite make the best locks.

pg13 11-08-11 11:02 PM

do you mean a compact lock or a mini ulock? if going mini and are willing to spend id get the kryptonite fahgettaboudit if you want a mini. Abus has a mini the futura i think it is? amazon i think has them for about 65 with free shipping. Are you planning on using the mini to lock your rear and frame then the cable through front frame and fixture? id suggest getting a long u lock and secure the frame and rear to the fixture that way if someone does cut the cable its only the front wheel youll lose instead of the whole bike.

http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Produc...=1000&pid=1095
http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Produc...=1003&pid=1198

Drakonchik 11-08-11 11:13 PM

Abus Bordo 95cm foldable in rubber pouch fits most anywhere.

Top Gunner 11-08-11 11:38 PM

Kryptonite Evo Mini. Get locking skewers for your wheels, the mini lock will really only allow you to lock the frame to an object.

OR

Get the Krypto Evo Mini & use the Sheldon Brown method for the rear wheel/frame + loop cable for the front wheel. That's what I do, it works well for me.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html

PS- I have the Abus Futura Mini, in addition to Krypto Evo Mini & Onguard Bulldog Mini. Krypto feels the most dense. Onguard is comparable, and I like their double bolt locking mechanism on the shackle, as opposed to Krypto's one bent foot. The Abus is lighter, thinner, and narrower than the other two. It's a good lock, but I don't think it's as secure as either the Krypto or Onguard. I used to have the Krypto NY Fahgettaboudit, it's just too heavy for me. 4 lbs & you can't do much more with it than with a 2 lb Evo Mini.

pg13 11-08-11 11:50 PM

the mini is 5.5 inches long. from right outer fork to the left outer fork is about 6 inches wide. if he only has 1 mini ulock he cant use the u lock to attach to a secure fixture and only has the cable for it. and while sheldon has alot of good advice using only a cable lock to secure your bike to something is bad. if the cable is cut you lose the whole bike.

desertdork 11-09-11 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pg13 (Post 13470976)
the mini is 5.5 inches long. from right outer fork to the left outer fork is about 6 inches wide. if he only has 1 mini ulock he cant use the u lock to attach to a secure fixture and only has the cable for it. and while sheldon has alot of good advice using only a cable lock to secure your bike to something is bad. if the cable is cut you lose the whole bike.

Sheldon's method is to lock the rear wheel, inside the triangle, to the fixed object...then secure the front wheel with the cable to the u-lock. This is not a problem with a mini u-lock, providing the fixed object is not too large in size.

There are a variety of sizes of Evolution locks offered now, including some with a new shackle design. While a mini is easier to pack and carry, a slightly larger lock will increase the number of options you have for locking up without being noticeably bulkier to schlep around.

pg13 11-09-11 03:55 PM

desertdork the problem is there isnt enough room in either of those minis to be used on the rear fork and around the rim/tire then around a secure fixture. sure you could save some room running it only through the spokes but then only have to cut the spokes. and sheldons method states to use the cable lock as the connection to the fixed object.

Ziemas 11-09-11 04:09 PM

What are you planning to lock to? This is a major consideration when choosing a lock. Mini-locks are all but useless unless you are locking to a dedicated bike rack with thin posts.

desertdork 11-09-11 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pg13 (Post 13470976)
the mini is 5.5 inches long. from right outer fork to the left outer fork is about 6 inches wide. if he only has 1 mini ulock he cant use the u lock to attach to a secure fixture and only has the cable for it. and while sheldon has alot of good advice using only a cable lock to secure your bike to something is bad. if the cable is cut you lose the whole bike.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pg13 (Post 13473909)
desertdork the problem is there isnt enough room in either of those minis to be used on the rear fork and around the rim/tire then around a secure fixture. sure you could save some room running it only through the spokes but then only have to cut the spokes. and sheldons method states to use the cable lock as the connection to the fixed object.

Huh? Nowhere does Sheldon's strategy state to use a cable as the connection to the fixed object. If you use a cable to secure the front wheel and want to loop that cable over the post, then you can do that in addition. But with Sheldon's lock strategy, the bike is always secured to the post, etc..., with the u-lock. When you secure the bike, the u-lock secures the wheel (inside the rear triangle) to the post. And when you secure the wheel, the lock goes around the rim, not through the spokes.

pg13 11-09-11 10:14 PM

quote "The cable lock will secure your front wheel to the frame and any convenient object, and the U-lock will secure your rear wheel and frame."
edit: its the 4th little paragraph down
edit 2: on the pic of his old mead ranger is it just me or does his mini u lock look to be about 8 inches long?

fietsbob 11-09-11 10:49 PM

AXA or Abus frame mounted ring lock plus a lock up chain that fits in a jack
on the opposite side from the key cylinder.

Top Gunner 11-10-11 01:20 AM

pg13- desertdork is right. With Sheldon's method you secure the u-lock to a fixed object, around the rear tire, within the rear triangle. The cable is used as an accessory for the front wheel. Mini u-locks are totally sufficient for this method. It is possible to go through the rear tire + a chain-stay w a mini, just a little trickier.

desertdork is also right about the variety of u-locks offered. Krypto now makes an Evo mini-7" lock, as opposed to the traditional 5.5". As he/she said, it just increases your options a bit.

pg13 11-10-11 01:33 AM

top gun did you go read sheldons own site? http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html thats where that quote is from. and yes i agree you attach a ulock through the rear and to a secure object. ahh yes the evo 7 is fine. thought he was talking about the 5 or the ny. the evo 9 seems to be fine too though why theyre calling it a mini at 9 and a half inches i dont know lol

CaptCarrot 11-10-11 06:07 AM

Thanks for the responses guys. Can we keep on topic though? I am well aware of Sheldon's method, right now that does not concern me.

My plan is to lock frame to dedicated bike rack and then lock wheels to frame with cable.

Having looked around, I may up my size a little - I do like the look of the New York Fahgettaboudit, at 83x153mm (18mm) it is not massively larger than the ones I linked above, but does appear significantly tougher.

Just need to decide which cable, armoured cable or chain to put with it.

pg13 11-10-11 12:06 PM

ok are you planning on getting a cable with built in lock or going with a disc type lock for it? and are you going just front wheel to frame or possibly front to frame to u lock? if just front to frame then as thick a cable you can. if going chain hmm a 10mm or thicker and a really good lock. or possibly might i suggest another u lock? stronger than cable not quite as strong as chain but lighter and not as bulky(some with chains can wear them around your waist which is a option). but measure the distance from inside rim and closest spot inside frame. had to order a long version because mines a little over 9"

CaptCarrot 11-10-11 12:20 PM

Probably going for a disc type lock. The problem with the chain (which I would like) is the weight, the NYF mini is heavy enough as it is.

Locking front to frame and possibly "secure structure" as well. I think it will be the 4' Kryptoflex (or similar), might get the 7', or a second 4', if I want to add rear wheel into the mix.

PomPilot 11-10-11 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 13475503)
AXA or Abus frame mounted ring lock plus a lock up chain that fits in a jack
on the opposite side from the key cylinder.

+1:thumb: Besides, you are not likely to leave these on the kitchen counter at home.

Top Gunner 11-11-11 01:19 AM

If you're going to get a cable, it doesn't really matter what kind. They can all be cut pretty easy. If you get a chain, you're adding at least 8 lbs to the 4 lbs you'll be carrying w the NY F. So your bike just got 12 lbs heavier. If you're okay with that, go for it- your bike will be very secure.

Before getting locking skewers, I used to use 2 U-locks. A 2 lb mini U for frame/rear wheel, and a 1.7 lb U for front wheel/frame. That's less than 4 lbs, all in & I still have my bike.

Regardless, do what will work best for you. Good luck.

pg13 11-11-11 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top Gunner (Post 13480280)
If you're going to get a cable, it doesn't really matter what kind. They can all be cut pretty easy. If you get a chain, you're adding at least 8 lbs to the 4 lbs you'll be carrying w the NY F. So your bike just got 12 lbs heavier. If you're okay with that, go for it- your bike will be very secure.

Before getting locking skewers, I used to use 2 U-locks. A 2 lb mini U for frame/rear wheel, and a 1.7 lb U for front wheel/frame. That's less than 4 lbs, all in & I still have my bike.

Regardless, do what will work best for you. Good luck.

careful with locking skewers though http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...or-keep-secret

cruiserhead 11-11-11 01:55 AM

The NYF are great locks but I got concerned because they are popular and Krypto only does a minimal set of key codes.
So people tell me a set of keys has a chance of opening a different krypto lock. I guess that goes for most locks but because Krypos are common, the chance goes up.

Don't forget to look at the Blackburn Sing Sing and San Quentin. Both equal to the Krypto locks. Hex shaped U to make cutting more difficult.

any cable will do since they all equally secure.

If you get two locks, it's recommended you get different brands and types so thieves can't use the same tools for both.

CaptCarrot 11-11-11 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruiserhead (Post 13480306)
The NYF are great locks but I got concerned because they are popular and Krypto only does a minimal set of key codes.
So people tell me a set of keys has a chance of opening a different krypto lock. I guess that goes for most locks but because Krypos are common, the chance goes up.

Don't forget to look at the Blackburn Sing Sing and San Quentin. Both equal to the Krypto locks. Hex shaped U to make cutting more difficult.

any cable will do since they all equally secure.

If you get two locks, it's recommended you get different brands and types so thieves can't use the same tools for both.

I'm presuming a few locks come out of the same factory - is the Blackburn the same as the Cannondale San Quentin? They look pretty similar. As do some locks from Oxford and other brands.

[edit]

Igonre that last Q., I see there design has changed.

On the San Quentin there appear to be notches runnibg the length of the shackle, I doubt these are used - but are there any decent lockss that an adjustable shackle length?

Nightshade 11-11-11 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptCarrot (Post 13470202)
Wasn't sure whether to post this in A&S, road or utility so it ended up here.

I am looking for a compact but secure lock.

So far I have seen the
Which would you recommend? Feel free to add your own choice.

One can not depend on ANY bike lock to protect their bike.

It's far better to have a simple lock to discourage the opportunist thief and bike insurance for all the rest.

pg13 11-11-11 01:50 PM

and what do those that dont have home insuranca that can cover bike theft? pretty sure regular renters insurance(apartments) doesnt cover stolen bikes, esp if theyre not stolen from the actual apartment.
edit: oh and thats only if they have renters insurance and even then its only a may pay. of course youd need a specific replacement policy otherwise you get a depreciation on it and you know theyll low ball it. and they may want a certain level of protection if they will cover it.

cruiserhead 11-11-11 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightshade (Post 13482105)
One can not depend on ANY bike lock to protect their bike.

It's far better to have a simple lock to discourage the opportunist thief and bike insurance for all the rest.

U-locks ARE simple locks.


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