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    Rant - avoid if you don't want to read about me venting

    Just got back from driving 300+ miles round-trip involving a failed Craigslist sale. It was my item for sale. I'd listed it as "$xxx firm" and exchanged emails with the buyer confirming that. Not only did I not request any gas money for the "delivery", I'd gone out of my way to accomodate his schedule.

    Got to the buyer's place and he tried to renegotiate immediately, at a 20% lower price than I'd listed. I had printed out all our emails, as is my normal way of ensuring my memory is "correct". Showed him his own words and he just grins and says, "Well, what do you want to do now? $xxx is my offer" (again, the same lowball offer).

    It was all I could do not to punch him in the face, something I haven't done to anyone in nearly 35 years.

    I need a drink - another thing I havent done in 30 years.

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    You should have called in a "tip" to the cops that he was making meth there!

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    The very first mistake was driving the 300+miles to sell something to a possible idiot. If the idiot wanted it bad enough, he'll crawl the 300miles to come and get it.
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    I feel your pain. That was a nasty person.

    I have learned several lessons about CL deals. Never respond by email. If I'm selling something I insist the potential buyer give me their phone and I'll call. I'm not sure what the email scams are but there must be something.

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    I actually had planned to continue on to another destination to buy something else - the delivery was "enroute". The real "idiot" part for me was that he had offered to drive down himself but I said I'd deliver it as I was going to have to pass his location to get the other CL item - maximizing the gas savings for him at no real cost to me. Unfortunately, the non-sale resulted in a pointless round-trip as the unpurchased item - a recumbent - took up too much room to buy/transport the second item - another recumbent - in the vehicle I used.

    Oh, we each phoned the other at least once about this "transaction" prior to today. So, it wasn't a "blind email business transaction". Guy sounded sincere/authentic on the phone.

    I do like the "meth call" to the cops idea - wish I was that creative.

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    That sucks, man. Pretty low to agree on a deal, then try to change the terms when the guy burns his own gas money to deliver it. I would have wanted to punch him, too. Hell, I want to now!

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    Post a CL add for very similar item at even better price than he wanted, BUT use different e-mail and friends phone. When you have him hooked, send him 350 miles in the opposite direction for pick-up.
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    I feel for you because it sounds like you were more than fair and a truly nice guy for offering to deliver for free. Unfortunately you made the cardinal mistake of CL, not assuming that every person you deal with on CL is a flake. They are ALL flakes until proven otherwise. If you are selling, don't hold an item for someone, don't go out of your way to show/deliver it. Etc. That truly sucks.

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    Did he claim it was worth less than he thought after he saw it up close?

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    Thanks for the rant. I have learned something from it. I liked ahsposo's suggestion

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    So, if he gets back in touch to try and buy it again, you're going to say, "Sure, you come get it, and bring an extra $100"

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    I deal with CL much, but can't you post something on, or file a report to, Craig's List about not doing business with that buyer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by missjean View Post
    I deal with CL much, but can't you post something on, or file a report to, Craig's List about not doing business with that buyer?
    Let's be realistic. It would come down to a "I said, he said" thing. And anyway, it's not a local issue - he's from one state, was vacationing in a second and I am from/in a third. I got "suckered" and my time was wasted.

    There's nothing to solve. I was merely ranting.

    Moving on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfeet View Post
    So, if he gets back in touch to try and buy it again, you're going to say, "Sure, you come get it, and bring an extra $100"
    Actually, I'd just tell him come by and then stiff him - show him the trike is stil there and then refuse to sell it to him. Or, tell him the price just doubled for him and him only.

    As far as he is concerned, I would rather not sell it than he get it. Seriously. Period.

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    I can relate to you being upset. When folks do things like that it can make you feel like they're taking advantage of you. I imagine the guy was a bit suprised that you didn't cave in and reduce the price rather than transporting the bike bake home again, if that's any consolation.

    I had a similar situation about 12 years ago.

    I was selling an electric Power Wheels Corvette that my daughters had outgrown. A workmate expressed an interest in the toy. As we talked about it at work I dropped the price about 20% for him and he agreed to purchase it for the lowered price, which he had commented was a great deal for him. When he and his family showed up at my house that evening he started lamenting about how poor he was and tried negotiating the price down even farther.

    I was so P.O.d that I just took what he offered and gave him the Power Wheel. Needless to say, he didn't recieve much help from me on the job after that transaction.

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    To me, re-negotiating at the point of sale and exchange is extremely tacky and ill-advised.

    I was once attempting to sell an iPod nano to a dude. I think I was asking $100, dude showed up with $90. When I refused his 'offer' of $90, he got irate and started to say things like, "You're going to throw away this sale over $10?" I told him that it was a matter of pride at that point and walked away. Sold it the next day for $100 to someone else.

    To this day, I have never catered to any buyer. A dude last week asked me to deliver item to him (even though it was maybe 3.5 miles from where I live.) Nope. No way. You can drive/bike/walk over here if you want it bad enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmweaver2 View Post
    Just got back from driving 300+ miles round-trip involving a failed Craigslist sale. It was my item for sale. I'd listed it as "$xxx firm" and exchanged emails with the buyer confirming that. Not only did I not request any gas money for the "delivery", I'd gone out of my way to accomodate his schedule.

    Got to the buyer's place and he tried to renegotiate immediately, at a 20% lower price than I'd listed. I had printed out all our emails, as is my normal way of ensuring my memory is "correct". Showed him his own words and he just grins and says, "Well, what do you want to do now? $xxx is my offer" (again, the same lowball offer).

    It was all I could do not to punch him in the face, something I haven't done to anyone in nearly 35 years.

    I need a drink - another thing I havent done in 30 years.
    Nearly ever CL listing I see says "$xxx firm", and I wouldn't consider a counter offer a violation of that.

    If the offer says "No price lower than $xxx will be considered", then I probably wouldn't make a counter offer.

    You may not think that way, but I think most people read "$xxx firm" as "some room for negotiation". I do.
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    Firm : Not subject to change; fixed and definite: a firm bargain; a firm offer.

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    Back in the day I operated a small salvage yard in conjunction with my auto repair shop. One day a guy walks in looking for a power mirror for an expensive Audi. The mirror was a painted model and he expressed it would be awesome if I had the right color. To the best of my memory I thought I did have an Audi in the color he wanted but I couldn't remember if the mirror was still okay. We looked up the price of a new mirror, which was something over $300.00 and would need to be painted as it only came in black primer. We agreed on a very reasonable $125.00 for the used mirror if it was the correct color.

    I stopped what I was doing, closed my shop and the customer followed me to my salvage location where we inspected the mirror and I spent probably 30 minutes in the swealtering summer heat carefully removing it from the donor car.

    "That will be 125 dollars sir."

    The guy looks at the mirror and then at me and says, "I'll give you 75."

    When people talk about temporary insanity I know exactly what they must mean because in that instant I flew into a rage, wound up and smashed the whole mirror onto a large rock on the ground like I was spiking a football. It exploded into a million pieces.

    "Now you can have it for free", I said to the guy, and walked away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snydermann View Post
    ...wound up and smashed the whole mirror onto a large rock on the ground like I was spiking a football. It exploded into a million pieces.

    "Now you can have it for free", I said to the guy, and walked away.
    Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepwagner View Post
    Nearly ever CL listing I see says "$xxx firm", and I wouldn't consider a counter offer a violation of that.

    If the offer says "No price lower than $xxx will be considered", then I probably wouldn't make a counter offer.

    You may not think that way, but I think most people read "$xxx firm" as "some room for negotiation". I do.
    I totally agree with what you're saying, but I believe the time for negotiation is during the back and forth communications between the purchaser and the seller...not at the point of delivery and payment.

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    No more CL, or any other online (or printed) classified for me. I've gotten sick of having sold surplus items (almost always new, in boxes and shrink wrapped) and having people call me up stating that the item didn't work, or had something missing. Usually these items were computer components which I had purchased for customers and weren't used, so instead of stocking them up, I would sell them at cost to break even. And in most of the cases, the people buying them didn't have any knowledge on how to install/use them and demanded free IT support.

    My last sale was three weeks ago, my previous low budget trekking bike, and my advertisement had a disclaimer clearly stating that I offered NO SUPPORT, NO DISCOUNT and NO DELIVERY under any circumstance... the above in bold uppercase letters, and I was still amazed at how many people called having read it and still asked for stupid things!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepwagner View Post
    Nearly ever CL listing I see says "$xxx firm", and I wouldn't consider a counter offer a violation of that.

    If the offer says "No price lower than $xxx will be considered", then I probably wouldn't make a counter offer.

    You may not think that way, but I think most people read "$xxx firm" as "some room for negotiation". I do.
    Firm means firm. ie no change. Otherwise, you'd just list a price or put OBO. I suppose you can ask if they'd take less, but be prepared to pay the full amount, especially if they deliver it to you. Heck somebody delivers something to me, I usually give them a little more than they asked if they went out of their way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by himespau View Post
    Firm means firm. ie no change. Otherwise, you'd just list a price or put OBO. I suppose you can ask if they'd take less, but be prepared to pay the full amount, especially if they deliver it to you. Heck somebody delivers something to me, I usually give them a little more than they asked if they went out of their way.
    Firm in my lexicon is a weaker than "hard" or "fixed". I'd put "non-negotiable" if I meant that negotiations were not welcome.

    I guess that it means something different to different people, and the OP got caught by that. I think that "fixed" or "non-negotiable" are pretty unambiguous.

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