Opinions On A Bad Purchase, Please.
Okay, I don't know if this belongs here or not, but I'll give it a shot.
I put Brooks saddles on everything I ride now. I have two bikes with B17s and a bike with a B66. I recently bought another commuter bike and wanted to put a B17 on it, so, I was trying to stumble upon a good deal on Ebay for one. I watched several, bid on several and lost several. I then came upon one that looked scuffed up, but that didn't bother me since he said that he only put about 40 miles on it so I figured it was just scuffed up due to "shop wear". I bid on it and got if for $62 shipped. That seems like a decent deal, even though I have seen new ones go for not much more than that.
I got it yesterday and it's a bit different than the description. The leather is stretched (he never mentioned it), there is blue paint on it (he never mentioned it), the rivets are rusted on the underside (he never mentioned it) and he tells me today that he bought it used (his description leads you to believe the saddle has only 40 miles on it).
I emailed him and he basically told me he described the saddle perfectly. Here's the actual description:
"I have a Brooks B17 Champion Standard saddle for sale that is in good shape. There are no gouges or water damage to the saddle. I just don't find that it fits my anatomy as well as I'd like, so I'm in pursuit of something else. The rails are straight, leather looks fine. It is black as you can see in the photo. I put less than 40 miles on it before I took it off. Thanks for looking!"
Here's the emails:
Well, I received the saddle yesterday and I got to tell you that if you only put 40 miles on this Brooks then they were either a very hard 40 miles or somebody else put some miles on it before you. I have a B17 with about 1500-2000 miles on it and it looks like new compared to this one.
The leather is extremely loose, the rivets on the underside have rust on them, it's scuffed up like crazy and there is something blue (paint?) on the top of the saddle.
You really should take better pictures or at least describe your items a little more carefully.
I am sorry you are dissatisfied with the saddle. It was never my intention to misrepresent it in any way. I felt the description was indeed accurate as seen in the ad description. The photo does clearly show the scuffing and blue paint on the saddle itself. It was that way when I received it used off of ebay. I had no prior experiences with Brooks saddles, so I really can't offer any insight as to the tension of the leather. It appeared to be in good shape for what it was, and that is what I tried to describe it as. I keep a mileage log on my bicycles and I only rode this saddle on two rides for a total of 43 miles. I assure you I always do my best to accurately represent anything I sell as you can see from the comments left in my feedback. Again, I apologize for your dissatisfaction.
The blue paint on the rear half of the saddle is not visible at all and blue paint on the saddle was never mentioned. the way your photo is taken nothing is obvious. And, you being the second owner (which I just found out in your response) was NEVER mentioned. If it had been I would have never purchased it, as the previous owner rode it and clearly abused it. I figured by your description that you purchased it new, didn't like it, took it off and set it aside where it got scuffed up by laying around. The scuffs don't bother me, but the misrepresentation does.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I disagree, but will try to be more painfully descriptive in future auctions as per your request. If you had additional questions I wish you would have sought additional clarification prior to bidding. I noted the saddle was used in the advertisement, the scuffing was evident in the photo as was the paint. Again, I'm sorry for you dissatisfaction
This isn't productive. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm not being rude and I'm not being insulting. I'm sorry you don't like the saddle. I did my best to represent it for what it was. I hope you get many happy miles out of it. Good riding.
Here's a photo of it:
So, am I the unyielding old curmudgeon? Or, do I have a valid point? I have only given one negative feedback in 9 years and that was to a buyer that didn't pay me. I should have given a couple of others, but the sellers offered a refund, so, I let it go.