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Pinhy 04-30-12 09:24 AM

New here. New bike...what else to buy?
 
Hello all,

I am just getting into "fitness" biking with my g/f and other friends and am looking for a used road bike. The use would be flat, paved park trail riding in 15 and 22 mile increments, keeping a speed of 16-22 mph (so approx 45-60 minutes at a time).

I have been looking at some used bikes listed on Craigslist, and even went and test rode a few at a place that had many used bikes. I really liked a (late-90's model?) C'dale R300 CAD2 and have the guy holding it for me and would like to just go buy it and be happy with it. However, there is a C'dale R600 CAD3 listed for a few $$ less in another listing, and I am wondering how the 2 bikes compare, in general. Is it worth holding out to see the R600 (the seller is not very quick to reply). Both bikes are in the $325-$350 range.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Things like: Years these models were built? Weight? Quality? and any other comparisons that help me differentiate the 2 bikes would be great.


thanks

10 Wheels 04-30-12 09:27 AM

I would not wait if I found a used bike that I liked.

Good buys on used bikes go very fast.

SlimRider 04-30-12 10:05 AM

If you're riding on a flat and paved road surface, then buy a brand new single speed.

www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/thehour.htm

rdtompki 04-30-12 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlimRider (Post 14161774)
If you're riding on a flat and paved road surface, then buy a brand new single speed.

www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/thehour.htm

Not know where the OP hails from: What happens 4 weeks after purchase when OP and gf change route and tackle some small hills? Single speed seems a bit risky for a beginning cyclist.

Pinhy 04-30-12 11:32 AM

I'm in Tampa FL...not too many hills here, but there are some "inclines"...lol. Not sure I would consider a single speed, but I did look at a 14 spd that was missing a front derailleur and would just be a 7-speed, because even us "flatlanders" use 2 or 3 speeds...getting started, headwinds, or just casual riding.

I have the R300 on hold for a couple days, so as not to miss out on it. I just need to know how those of you that know way more about bikes than I do feel about the 2 choices?

SlimRider 04-30-12 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdtompki (Post 14161871)
Not know where the OP hails from: What happens 4 weeks after purchase when OP and gf change route and tackle some small hills? Single speed seems a bit risky for a beginning cyclist.

Trust me, he won't be running into those kinda hills in Florida.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinhy (Post 14162187)
I'm in Tampa FL...not too many hills here, but there are some "inclines"...lol. Not sure I would consider a single speed, but I did look at a 14 spd that was missing a front derailleur and would just be a 7-speed, because even us "flatlanders" use 2 or 3 speeds...getting started, headwinds, or just casual riding.

I have the R300 on hold for a couple days, so as not to miss out on it. I just need to know how those of you that know way more about bikes than I do feel about the 2 choices?

I personally, would never buy a used aluminum framed bicycle, if I have an opportunity to buy a completely new bicycle. Living in Florida affords you the unique opportunity to purchase a single speed bike that would serve all of your commuting, recreational, and "fitness" needs. A single speed requires less maintenance and a quality bicycle can be purchased new, at a much lower pricepoint.

* You simply don't need the extra gears when riding in the flats....

10 Wheels 04-30-12 12:08 PM

Slim you are giving out BAD Advice...

"* You simply don't need the extra gears when riding in the flats...."

Riding on flat roads in high winds requires changes in gears.

chaadster 04-30-12 12:10 PM

Those CAAD3 frame sets are stiff! I don't know about the CAAD2, but I briefly had a C3 and hated it!

Not knowing the years involved here, it's difficult to suggest one over the other, but things to consider beyond fit and color would be component spec and the ease of upgrade. For example, a later model 300 with Ahead style headset/stem would probably give you more options and make for easier mods than an earlier quill stem equipped R600.

In short, I'd say yeah, a look at the 600 is probably worthwhile.

SlimRider 04-30-12 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 Wheels (Post 14162372)
Slim you are giving out BAD Advice...

"* You simply don't need the extra gears when riding in the flats...."

Riding on flat roads in high winds requires changes in gears.

It's not bad advice, because most days in Florida don't have high winds...

Pinhy 05-01-12 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlimRider (Post 14162436)
It's not bad advice, because most days in Florida don't have high winds...

nah, no HURRICANES or thunderstorms or anyhing like that here on the Gulf Coast of Florida! lol

But seriously, we do get a noticeable wind all spring and summer long here. I'm an inline skater, and turning into the wind creates a noticeable difference.

The R600 is a 60cm frame and just a little too tall, so I bought the R300 last night. I'm looking forward to getting it on the trail this weekend and see how it feels and performs while on it for an extended time.

SlimRider 05-01-12 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinhy (Post 14166027)
nah, no HURRICANES or thunderstorms or anyhing like that here on the Gulf Coast of Florida! lol

But seriously, we do get a noticeable wind all spring and summer long here. I'm an inline skater, and turning into the wind creates a noticeable difference.

The R600 is a 60cm frame and just a little too tall, so I bought the R300 last night. I'm looking forward to getting it on the trail this weekend and see how it feels and performs while on it for an extended time.

I have relatives who live in Key West. As a kid, I used to spend time during the summers with them. I don't remember the high winds at all, except for the occasional thunderstorm. Sometimes it would get a little windy, but I wouldn't consider those winds as "high winds"...

Retro Grouch 05-01-12 12:12 PM

I'm getting lazy in my old age.

Look up the thread by GratedWasabi. Read my post to him. The same advice applies to you.

SlimRider 05-01-12 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro Grouch (Post 14167351)
I'm getting lazy in my old age.

Look up the thread by GratedWasabi. Read my post to him. The same advice applies to you.

You might get the wrong sized bike, buying online. Not all bicycle manufacturers size their bikes in the same manner. For some reason, buying online usually involves a slight pinch of chance.

rebel1916 05-01-12 01:01 PM

The OP has already bought a bike, so Slim's special brand of misinformation has done no harm here.

SlimRider 05-01-12 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebel1916 (Post 14167520)
The OP has already bought a bike, so Slim's special brand of misinformation has done no harm here.

Is that the best an aluminite can do? :lol:

Pinhy 05-04-12 08:15 AM

I got out and rode the bike a few miles in my neighborhood, going through all the gears, testing brakes, etc. Wanted to make sure it felt good as well. Everything A-OK

Got out to the park to do our 22 mile trip with a couple bikers and a skater. Got 9 miles in at 19mph and then.....flat front tire! Another rider had a canister of air, but the adapter wouldnt go on right, so I hoofed it back to the cars (about 2 miles). (She also had a spare tube, but I didnt want to stop them that long). The seller I bought from reluctantly agreed to replace the tube for me at no cost (not that a new one is much money).

It got me realizing, I need to get some emergency equip to put in my under-seat pouch. I have a small pump mounted to my mtn bike, I guess I can move that back and forth. What else should I get? (tube, 2 changing levers, etc).

LarDasse74 05-04-12 03:27 PM

The seller is a better man than me... I certainly would not think there is any warranty against flat tires implied for a used bike.

Pinhy 08-20-12 02:51 PM

Well, I've had the bike 3+ months and am enjoying it. I look back at this conversation and have to laugh at the thought of a single speed. I mostly use 3 gears (9, 10, 11) of the 14...but am in all of the upper 7 at one time or another.

I mostly do a 2 or 3 bike + 1 or 2 skater group every other week at the county park trail. We do 3 laps around the 7 mile loop and keep our pace at 18-20 mph. Sometimes we get out with just 3 bikes and hold 21-23 mph. Both trips usually end with a half mile sprint up to 26 mph.

I've invested in one upgrade: Shimano PD5700 pedals and Scott shoes. Well worth it! Only other thing may be a saddle, if I start getting into longer rides. Otherwise, I'm thinking I am going to leave the bike as-is for a while. If I really keep up with it for another few months or more, I'll look into either upgrading components, or just buying a newer (carbon?) bike with something like Ulteggra components. Christmas is only 4 months away! lol

rebel1916 08-20-12 05:26 PM

Sweet man. I am in the process of gathering the parts for a bling new bike myself. The pedals do make life nicer. Ride on buddy.

Pinhy 08-22-12 08:51 PM

I know I alluded to future plans in my previous post . My "problem" is that I am always asking myself, and anyone else who will listen, if it is smarter to spend the money on component upgrades little by little, or save the money and get a new(er) bike at some point?

New components and wheels can cost just as much as a used entry level carbon race type bike would....and they come with components and wheels that are quite good.

LarDasse74 08-22-12 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinhy (Post 14640965)
I know I alluded to future plans in my previous post . My "problem" is that I am always asking myself, and anyone else who will listen, if it is smarter to spend the money on component upgrades little by little, or save the money and get a new(er) bike at some point?

New components and wheels can cost just as much as a used entry level carbon race type bike would....and they come with components and wheels that are quite good.

Unless there is a problem or something broken on your existing bike and you need to replace something, 'upgrading' is almost always a waste of money. There is nothing you can do to a well maintained bike that will magically make it faster or better to ride... except for replacing tires which can make a noticeable (but still small) difference... but since tires always wear out, buying new better (lighter and more supple casing, or tougher more flat resistant - whichever you think you need more) tires when the current ones wear out is a nice reward for riding your bike enough to wear out the tires. Put the rest of your money in your piggy bank, replace tires, chains, cables, and handlebar tape when you need to, and buy a better bike when that one is dead.

Pinhy 08-23-12 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LarDasse74 (Post 14641069)
Unless there is a problem or something broken on your existing bike and you need to replace something, 'upgrading' is almost always a waste of money. There is nothing you can do to a well maintained bike that will magically make it faster or better to ride... except for replacing tires which can make a noticeable (but still small) difference... but since tires always wear out, buying new better (lighter and more supple casing, or tougher more flat resistant - whichever you think you need more) tires when the current ones wear out is a nice reward for riding your bike enough to wear out the tires. Put the rest of your money in your piggy bank, replace tires, chains, cables, and handlebar tape when you need to, and buy a better bike when that one is dead.

that's what I needed to hear. makes total sense to me. thanks

for the riding that I do, this bike is plenty. there is no reason for me to be looking at carbon/race bikes.......but they are so pretty! lol

Pinhy 01-11-13 03:08 PM

UPDATE: Made a new friend in our skating and biking group, that is very good at building bikes. He saw me riding my 54cm bike and told me I should be on a bigger frame (I'm 6'-1"). I rode his 58cm and wow, what a difference! So he had an old 85 Cannondale polished aluminum frame and steel fork he gave me. We took most of the stuff off my old bike, bought a couple used shimano 600 sti shifters and new cables and chain. Loving it so far. The shiny aluminum really turns some heads.

One of my rims is a little warped, it rides OK, but needs to be replaced in the long run. Id like to find some quality lightweight rims for a couple hundred or less.

Also need a comfortable seat. I have ZERO "natural padding" and after 30 minutes or so I start to feel it.

Other than that, Im doing pretty much the same riding as mentioned above.

mrt2you 01-11-13 06:25 PM

if you are looking to upgrade your wheels look at nasbar.com they have a nice selection at good prices.
i installed these wheels on my bike and like them very much, i also picked up 1 mph average speed over my regular 40 mile route i usually ride. and yes my bearings were properly lubed and adjusted on my old wheels.

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...97_-1___202478

also maybe look into getting biking shorts or tights with some padding. this might help your rear.

mrt2you 01-11-13 06:46 PM

you MIGHT have to spread your fork and rear triangle a bit to fit modern wheels on a vintage bike but they will work on your bike.
also if you have a 7 speed cassette you will need to install a spacer to install it on a 8-9-10 speed hub.


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