Keep old bikes as is, upgrade, or buy something new?
I have been away from cycling for the last 18 months but I ready to get back to riding. I currently have two bikes. A '97 Bianchi Advantage hybrid (chro moly frame, 7 speed AceraX/Alivio, gripshift) and a mid 80s Schwinn Le Tour Luxe Touring bike (Suntour group components, downtube friction shifters, 6 speed freewheel, triple on front.) Both bikes are set up with SPD pedals. Both bikes are in decent, rideable shape. The Bianchi was tuned up a few years ago and the Schwinn completely tuned up and overhauled by a LBS 4 years ago. So aside from some minor adjustments, both bikes are pretty much in rideable condition.
So, I realize that I have some work to do to get back into riding shape. What that means to me is, weekend rides of 30 to 40 miles, and weeknight rides of 15 or so miles. Riding is almost exclusively road or paved trails, though I have occasionally done dirt or crushed limestone trails. 4 or 5 years ago, that is what I did with the Bianchi, though I found that even when I was in good riding shape, 30 or 40 miles was about the limit for the Bianchi, which is why I bought the Schwinn. Thing is, I think I am done with the C & V thing, and especially the whole downtube shifting. Also, even 18 months ago, I had trouble riding the Schwinn in the drops. I thought about trying to modernize the Schwinn, but my other thought is to sell it as is and put the money towards something like a Salsa Casseroll, perhaps fitted with wood chipper bars or some sort of modified drop bar that I could actually use. So, modify the Schwinn, buy something new like the Salsa, or maybe a Kona Jake, or just ride the hell out of the Bianchi? |
What is the problem with the drops? If it is simply that you are out of shape, that will come back - and anyway, for ordinary riding on a touring bike I don't spend that much time in the drops, using them mostly for headwinds or just for variety.
Personally I'd suggest you ride what you've got to get yourself back in shape. At that point you can evaluate what you feel about the current bikes, and more importantly, you'll be better able to assess what you might want in a new bike. One thing I wouldn't recommend is immediately spending the money on modifying the Schwinn. A new groupset is expensive, and you'd need a new wheelset - well, at least a new rear wheel - to accommodate it. For that money you could pretty much have a new bike. |
Originally Posted by MRT2
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I have been away from cycling for the last 18 months but I ready to get back to riding. I currently have two bikes. A '97 Bianchi Advantage hybrid (chro moly frame, 7 speed AceraX/Alivio, gripshift) and a mid 80s Schwinn Le Tour Luxe Touring bike (Suntour group components, downtube friction shifters, 6 speed freewheel, triple on front.) Both bikes are set up with SPD pedals. Both bikes are in decent, rideable shape. The Bianchi was tuned up a few years ago and the Schwinn completely tuned up and overhauled by a LBS 4 years ago. So aside from some minor adjustments, both bikes are pretty much in rideable condition.
So, I realize that I have some work to do to get back into riding shape. What that means to me is, weekend rides of 30 to 40 miles, and weeknight rides of 15 or so miles. Riding is almost exclusively road or paved trails, though I have occasionally done dirt or crushed limestone trails. 4 or 5 years ago, that is what I did with the Bianchi, though I found that even when I was in good riding shape, 30 or 40 miles was about the limit for the Bianchi, which is why I bought the Schwinn. Thing is, I think I am done with the C & V thing, and especially the whole downtube shifting. Also, even 18 months ago, I had trouble riding the Schwinn in the drops. I thought about trying to modernize the Schwinn, but my other thought is to sell it as is and put the money towards something like a Salsa Casseroll, perhaps fitted with wood chipper bars or some sort of modified drop bar that I could actually use. So, modify the Schwinn, buy something new like the Salsa, or maybe a Kona Jake, or just ride the hell out of the Bianchi? |
I would not suggest modernizing an old frame unless there is something special about it. (sentimental value, wonderful ride, classic model ....) Otherwise go for a modern bike of some sort from the start.
Keep one of your bikes for a rain/winter/commuting bike. |
@ Homebrew01. Not sentimental over it. I bought the Schwinn on CL, had it overhauled at a LBS. I thought about modernizing it back then, but the guy at LBS suggested just basic things like tires, brakes, and parts that were actually worn out, which were surprisingly few. It is a classic, lugged chro moly frame, but is it a stone, cold classic as it sits? Don't know. I figured that if I can find the right buyer, I should be able to get at least a couple of hundred for it, maybe more.
@ chasm 54. With bar ends, the Bianchi gives me 3 hand positions. In theory, a drop bar should also offer at least 3 hand positions, though I find riding the tops hard on my shoulders and riding the drops, hard on my back. Yes, I am out of shape right now so I agree, I need to ride more before making a purchasing decision. @ mobile155. Thanks for the advise. I think you are right about the Schwinn. I bought it on a lark, at this point I am in it for a couple of hundred, but I think as it sits, I might just about break even if I can find the right buyer. |
Run what ya brung! I would be riding the hell out of the Bianchi, try a handle bar swap if you need a change up. FWIW I have wayyyyy to many bikes (30+ :o) most are vintage, but that is what I prefer to ride. Get in better shape then decide if you really want an upgrade.
Aaron :) |
Once you lose some weight and firm up, you'd be surprised as to how much your bike's performance improves. ;)
You've got some really nice bikes...Keep 'em! :thumb: |
Thanks guys. Appreciate the feedback. Looks like the consensus so far is to stick with the Bianchi, sell the Schwinn, and hold off on any new purchases. I was wondering if anyone thought it made sense to modernize or upgrade the Schwinn, but so far the consensus is no.
Much as I respect the advice I get from my LBS(s), every one of those guys happens to have a bike or three that will outperform my old rides. |
Originally Posted by MRT2
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Thanks guys. Appreciate the feedback. Looks like the consensus so far is to stick with the Bianchi, sell the Schwinn, and hold off on any new purchases. I was wondering if anyone thought it made sense to modernize or upgrade the Schwinn, but so far the consensus is no.
Much as I respect the advice I get from my LBS(s), every one of those guys happens to have a bike or three that will outperform my old rides. |
Originally Posted by Mobile 155
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Just one more point. If you already have tried CL then look there again for something with STI shifters and at least 8 rear cogs. That way if you fall in love with the machine it will be easier to upgrade and keep when the N+1 urge hits you. Lots of people but some pretty good road bikes and never ride them. Look for Giant OCRs, what they made before the Defy, maybe a Cannondale, Early Trek, Specialized or a Jamis Ventura anything made to take a 8-9-10 speed hub. If you get something that is the right size for you and a bit more relaxed like the OCR the drop from the saddle to the top of the ramps will be higher and easier on your back. Flip the stem up and you might find the drops are easier as well. Just remember maybe half to 70 percent of the people that buy new bikes give up riding in the first year. Hold out for a clean bike and you could be on your way. If you have questions simply come back and ask.
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Whatever bikes you currently have-Ride them. It will take a while to get your fitness back and if you work hard enough should be by the end of Summer. Keep the bikes running and decide what you need in a bike- different size- different style- better components.
Then come Autumn and the 2012 bikes will have to be shifted by the dealers at a good price for you. By that time you will have found out that your current bikes do the job you want from them- OR NOT. |
Originally Posted by stapfam
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Whatever bikes you currently have-Ride them. It will take a while to get your fitness back and if you work hard enough should be by the end of Summer. Keep the bikes running and decide what you need in a bike- different size- different style- better components.
Then come Autumn and the 2012 bikes will have to be shifted by the dealers at a good price for you. By that time you will have found out that your current bikes do the job you want from them- OR NOT. It isn't just the gear, but rather also the rider. |
Update. Just took a liittle detour. Saw an add for a Bianchi Milano on Craigslist. Didn't hear back from the person for a week, then got an email saying the seller had been out of town and just got back. 12 hours later, I am the proud owner of a mid 2000s ('07 maybe?) Bianchi Milano, in black, but wiith celeste fenders.
Took it for a spin yesterday. I like the feel of the 8 speed internal hub gears. Very smooth. Saddle is harder than I like. Love the feel of the leather grips and the slightly swept back handle bars. That being said, with 26" wheels and stock 1.5" tires, it feels a bit slower than my hybrid. Today, my wife will riide it and give me her impressions. I know this is a detour, but the Bianchi is so pretty. |
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looks like the river on Commerce St!
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That is a good solid bike for general riding. I wouldn't use it for the TdeF, but for getting to and from places under 10 miles away it will be hard to beat. Most of my bikes fall into that category.
Aaron :) |
Originally Posted by dedhed
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looks like the river on Commerce St!
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
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I would not suggest modernizing an old frame unless there is something special about it. (sentimental value, wonderful ride, classic model ....)
I'd modernize any old frame in a heartbeat unless there happened to be something special about it. |
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 14308046)
Well, I guess that's why they have both chocolate and vanilla.
I'd modernize any old frame in a heartbeat unless there happened to be something special about it. Aaron :) |
Originally Posted by wahoonc
(Post 14308104)
Cost of parts will quickly exceed the value.
I don't build bikes to sell so what I can get for them isn't relevant. |
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 14308046)
Well, I guess that's why they have both chocolate and vanilla.
I'd modernize any old frame in a heartbeat unless there happened to be something special about it.
Originally Posted by wahoonc
(Post 14308104)
Cost of parts will quickly exceed the value. If you have parts laying around that is one thing, but to go an build up a bike from scratch is expensive. I bought a Redline Graduate to get the wheels and crankset off of it, then sold the frame to someone that wanted to make a fixie out of it. I came out money ahead over buying the components and building up wheels, even allowing for my time in taking the bike apart.
Aaron :) |
Originally Posted by MRT2
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is the quality of the columbus tubing on the LeTour as good or better than, say, a modern steel frame from Salsa, Surly, Raleigh, or maybe a few others.
A Wally World special might be made from gas pipe. It'll be heavy but it won't break. As you move up the steel tubeing food chain the alloys get stronger but not necessarily the bike frames. They just use less steel to produce a frame that's lighter yet still strong enough not to break. You could say that the lightest frame that won't break has the best quality. You could also say the Wally World frame is best because it's cheapest yet still doesn't break. |
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
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What are you looking for?
A Wally World special might be made from gas pipe. It'll be heavy but it won't break. As you move up the steel tubeing food chain the alloys get stronger but not necessarily the bike frames. They just use less steel to produce a frame that's lighter yet still strong enough not to break. You could say that the lightest frame that won't break has the best quality. You could also say the Wally World frame is best because it's cheapest yet still doesn't break. |
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 14308468)
Sometimes there's a difference between cost and value. Cost is what it is. Value depends on what you plan to do with it. True, if you plan to sell it, value is what you can get for it. If selling it isn't your intention, value becomes more subjective. What's the value of a grand child?
I don't build bikes to sell so what I can get for them isn't relevant. FWIW I don't typically build bikes to sell either, and in some cases have spent 5 or 6 times the cost of the bike in upgrades. But I own those upgrades and can move them to another bike quickly if I choose. If someone is not building their own bikes it is most likely a losing proposition. Aaron :) |
Originally Posted by wahoonc
(Post 14308651)
I will let you try and explain VALUE to my insurance company.
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