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SipperPhoto 01-06-05 09:46 PM

WrenchScience users: How close were your measurements?
 
Hey Kids,

I've been having some funky knee problems, which I was first blaming on me pushing too hard, but when it never seemed like it cleared up, and after talking to a few guys I ride with, determined that part of the problem might be fit.

So I roll over to WrenchScience's website, and do their online fit calculator. Got their measurements and just re-setup my bike. Pretty much all I did was level my seat a bit, and raise it about 1/4".

So my question to ya'll is... How close were their numbers based on how the bike felt after you measured and set it up? I'll be stuck inside on a trainer for probably the next week as we are getting some of that liquid sunshine we get every noe and again here in SoCal... so I probably won;t get a real road test rtide until Next weekend.

Lemme know your experiences... also, if you didn't use Wrenchscience, which online calculator did you use, and what was your experience with that?

Thanks

Jeff

Jim Bonnet 01-06-05 10:17 PM

I bought my Look from Wrench Science. I went into the store however and had them measure me and get the right size frame, stem, cranks, setup my seatpost ht. etc. After they built the bike I came in for a final fitting and it was damn near perfect.

In the store they have a slick spreadsheet that calculates everything out. Similar to online, but a little more in depth.

I measured myself at home using their online fit and came up wth a 56cm frame, in the store they got me with a 57cm frame. So pretty close from the online fitting. I could easily have gotten a 56cm frame as well.

any more questions on wrench science let me know. You should SEE all the frames they have in stock.

Jim Bonnet

55/Rad 01-06-05 11:34 PM

I got a pro fit at my local LBS and then a couple months later cross referenced the measurements at both wrenchscience and competitive cyclist. In both cases, all the numbers were dead on with the exception of saddle height. Both the online sites recommended a height about 3 cm lower than where I was. This seemed rather extreme but I lowered the saddle anyway. 1 cm per week up to 3. After riding for awhile in the fully lowered position, I started raising it again. It took weeks to dial it in but I ended up 2 cm below where I was and 1 cm above where the sites recommended.

Now, I am so used to this current height that I can easily adjust it to within a couple millimeters on feel alone.

55/Rad

Jim Bonnet 01-07-05 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 55/Rad
Now, I am so used to this current height that I can easily adjust it to within a couple millimeters on feel alone.

55/Rad

Its funny your mention the "On feel alone" part.... I've been riding for quite a while and had never had a fitting until the WS one before Christmas. I thought, yep.. I'll get this fitting and BAM, I'll be faster than anyone. Well... In reality that didn't happen. My "old" bike measurements were very close to the new bike. I mean almost down to the cm in seat ht and stem+top tube length.. They did give me wider bars, but I felt all along I could go wider.. Now granted everyone isn't the same, and maybe I just was lucky with the fit of my old bike.. You are going to know how your bike feels. Get what feels good and doesn't cause you discomfort.

good day-
Jim Bonnet

SipperPhoto 01-07-05 10:44 AM

With me, I'm not really hoping to get tht much faster... well, I'd like to.. but I don;t think a new fitting will help that much... I'm just hoping to be able to do longer rides 65-100 miles at a decent pace (around 17-18 mph avg.) without my knees blowing up on me.

Damn this rain!

jeff

PanPanX 01-07-05 01:16 PM

wrench science says i needed a 48 - 50 cm bike.. when i went to the bike store, they said i was a 52. so.. go figure. but also, you have to remember that different companies measure from different spots, so you have to make sure they're measuring the same spot..

TimB 01-11-05 08:13 AM

mine were actually quite spot on!
I' tried a stem 1cm longer to push their top tube recommendation out by that amount and after 3 hrs i as getting shoulder and neck pains

as they recommend, my bike fit is now perfect.

recommended

SipperPhoto 01-11-05 10:47 AM

Yeah, the only thing that didn;t seem to ring tru for me was the top tube to stem measurement. It seems they wanted me about 3 inches farther stretched out than my bike is now.... used to have a longer flatter stem on there and my neck and back were killing me.

So far I've done about 50 miles on the trainer and everything feels pretty good to me. The big test will be this weekend when I get out on a club ride, if the rain doesn;t come back!

Jeff

Jim Bonnet 01-11-05 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SipperPhoto
Yeah, the only thing that didn;t seem to ring tru for me was the top tube to stem measurement. It seems they wanted me about 3 inches farther stretched out than my bike is now.... used to have a longer flatter stem on there and my neck and back were killing me.

So far I've done about 50 miles on the trainer and everything feels pretty good to me. The big test will be this weekend when I get out on a club ride, if the rain doesn;t come back!

Jeff

If you go in and get fitted at WS they look at your flexibility overall at the final fit. That said, when they took my measurements the stem length was spot on. Top tube length really depends on your flexibility.

cheers-
Jim

jcthomasjr 01-11-05 07:43 PM

I went with the WS measurements for my new bike except that I chose a stem length that is 1cm shorter than they recommended since I feel a little too stretched out on my old bike.

SJK 01-14-05 12:13 PM

Dead on. But I had to measure several times and follow the directions exactly. I also found it much easier using a metric tape measure rather than a standard one and converting.

scottyd 04-13-05 09:44 AM

Just a warning about Wrench Science.

Use their site but donít buy from them. I have received terrible service from this company. I ordered 2 bikes from them a few months ago and both arrived with damage on them.

The service was terrible and the salesman would not respond to questions for days after I made the purchase.

Links to pics:
http://scottyd.net/OtherImages/001.jpg
http://scottyd.net/OtherImages/002.jpg
http://scottyd.net/OtherImages/003.jpg
http://scottyd.net/OtherImages/004.jpg
http://scottyd.net/OtherImages/005.jpg

I ordered a CIOCC and a Colnago CT2

Notice the scratch and chip on the top tube of the CT2
Split rear derailer housing
Bad chip on the carbon of the seat stay on the CIOCC
And best of all someone HAND PAINTED a P on the top tube of the CIOCC to say PRYDE Carbon.

Needless to say they blame the shipper and the manufacturer, everyone but themselves.

I recommend avoiding this company at all cost.

scottyd

Tim Medina 05-25-05 02:49 PM

I am one of the Principle owners of Wrench Science and I would like to respond to the comment above by Scottyd. Let me start by saying the management and employees of Wrench Science have worked long and hard to earn our industry leading top tier reputation as providing world class custom built bikes to the highest industry standards.

In this isolated case all industry standard procedures were followed with our manufacturers backing. To fix the paint chip and compensate the customer an industry standard cash offering was made. Also, the damaged parts, due to shipping, were replaced at no charge. We also sent additional product to the customer just in case the problem ever happened again. Of course Scottyd neglected to mention this.

Scottyd did accept the replacement products that were sent to him but was not happy with our cash offer and made an unreasonable cash settlement request back. In and effort to make our customer happy our distributor doubled his offering and so did WS. Needless to say the customer still was not happy with the offer and would not budge on a request of over $550. The problem is that the Colnago frame could easily be fixed for under $100 and we had more than doubled that amount in our offer. We also offered to have the frame touched up for him if he would like to send it back to us but Scottyd refused to accept anything less than the $550 amount. Both our distributor and WS believed the customer to be unreasonable and here is where we stand.

There is a reason why you never read negative comments about Wrench Science and that is because we are 100% committed to giving our customers exactly what they order, built better then they thought was possible. We have hundreds of testimonials to this point. When there is a problem, which does happen from time to time, we always solve the problem, except in this case. Take Scotts comments for what their worth. Also take both our response and the thousands of customerís positive comments for what they are worth. Thank you.

Best regards,
Tim Medina
CEO
Wrench Science Inc.

Bolo Grubb 05-25-05 03:10 PM

I need to retake my measurements, maybe have my wife take the measurements, because I must have done it wrong.

WS tells me I should ride a 55 and recommends a 160mm stem. I don't think stems are made that long are they?

My current bike was set up with a pro-fit at a LBS and it is a 58. but I do not honestly know if it is center to center or center to top.

So I am pretty sure I did the measurements wrong.

Bottom line I guess is to be careful that the measurements are accurate

jwible 07-18-05 01:19 PM

I gotta say I love Wrench Science. I ordered a Ciocc from them in March 03. I took my measurements my self. A day after I placed the order Tim Medina called me up and asked me to re measure my arm length. It seems abnormaly long to him. Needless to say he was right. I got the bike about a week later in perfect condition. The only adjustments I made were to the saddle height and angle to get the fit I was used to. And the saddle height was only one cm low -- about the thickness of my cleats.

I'm in the market for a updated ride and more than likely will buy from them unless something too good to be true pops up locally.


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