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Old 06-22-12, 08:12 PM   #1
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Bit by a dog tonight....

So I'm riding the local MUP around the lake (it's a State Park), and come across two people with eight (!!!) dogs, none on a leash. I slowed way down, they were gathering them and keeping them on the side of the MUP...but as I went by one leaped and bit me in the leg. It's a small bite that while it ripped my pants, doesn't seem to have broken my skin.

I'm a new cyclist, so I'm unsure really what I should've done. The people with the dogs were almost no help...not appologetic at all, they reassured me the dog didn't have rabies....gee thanks. I assessed the bite and like I said it seems not to have broken the skin, so I decided it wasn't worth trying to get this guys info (he didn't look like the type who would have given it too willingly). I did ask the guy why he didn't have any of the dogs on a leash (they don't need it!) and reminded him that it's the law.

Maybe I just wanted to vent, because now that I'm home I'm kinda pissed about this, in fact more than kinda pissed. I'm thinking I should've called the police or the park rangers (it was in a state park). In hindsight, what should I have done there on the spot?
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This is just another reason that I always carry pepper spray when riding. Some of the friendliest looking dogs will sometimes give chase and bite. Some ferocious-looking dogs will give chase just for the fun of chasing and you don't know who's who. You don't have time to play the dog whisperer role and besides when its two or more they can suddenly switch up on you because they start to get into the pack mode. You know, the same thing people do in groups. Individually, they're quite alright, but get 'em in a group and they go crazy.

Just carry your spray at all times. Your philosophy should be all chasers get sprayed without exception!

Just keep spraying and rolling...Rolling and spraying...Don't stop rolling and don't stop spraying, until the chase as ended. Usually the chase ends suddenly!

Wonder how that idiot would react if his dog got seriously sprayed?

It was his fault anyway! He should have gotten sprayed, instead!

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Old 06-22-12, 08:43 PM   #3
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Sounds like one of them at least owes you a new pair of pants - which would have been sufficient justification to get some contact information.

I'd think it would still be worthwhile to contact a park ranger. Not that they could do anything about the people involved in this incident, but they probably keep a record of issues that happen in the park and use that in deciding how to prioritize patrols, enforcement, and any rules changes.
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I've had a few close calls a couple times at the park near my house... twice by the same dog. Nothing is more irritating than a person that thinks "Fido" is trained to obey on command in a public park just because he does it at home after they give him treats.

Both times the dog owner seen me coming and immediately started running after the dog and calling it and yelling at it before it even seen me. So this tells me that he knows that the dog is dangerous. Well the dog seen me and immediately came after me. It actually tried to bite my leg as I rode by but luckily for me, it was to stupid to drop the tennis ball it had in it's mouth first.

Couple days later the same thing happened with the same darn dog and owner... this time as I rode past the owner I screamed "LEASH YOUR F'ING DOG!!!" After I got a safe distance from the dog I stopped and pulled out my phone and acted like I was dialing it and talking to someone.... dude probably thought I was calling the police... he put his dog on a leash and took off... haven't seen them since.
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Aren't dogs that bite humans supposed to be executed?
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Sometimes the owners should be instead...
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For some reason, dog owners often seem to believe there's nothing wrong with their pet's aggressiveness towards other people. As if dogs were more important than people.. That behavior always irritates me a lot!

That pepper spray idea sounds actually REALLY good, except.. isn't it dangerous? in that the enraged dog owner would yell or something, causing the sprayed dog to become even more aggressive?
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For some reason, dog owners often seem to believe there's nothing wrong with their pet's aggressiveness towards other people. As if dogs were more important than people.. That behavior always irritates me a lot!

That pepper spray idea sounds actually REALLY good, except.. isn't it dangerous? in that the enraged dog owner would yell or something, causing the sprayed dog to become even more aggressive?
No. Actually once the dog is sprayed he becomes instantly incapacitated. He can no longer see or breathe efficiently. The usual reaction when they're giving chase, is to instantly stop, place their heads between their legs and then try to rub the pepper out of their eyes while simultaneously coughing and gasping for breath. If there is grass around, they'll rub their heads across the grass, too. Humans usually give a similar response. They place their hands to their faces and then try to rub the pepper out, while coughing and gasping for breath. Of course, they're really rubbing the pepper deeper into their eyes. The better the spray, the longer the dog is out of commission.



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I'd of picked that dog up and bit it back, lol. My dog bit me once because I was trying to rub his face in poop for pooping on the floor and I bit him fairly hard on his ear. He never bit me again, lol. I read somewhere that biting back will either show dominance and the dog will cower or it will just retaliate and bite the %$#@ our of you in return, LOL so.... its a gamble. Now back in one of my previous security guard days, I carried a tazer gun and a pitbull came at me wanting blood, I shot it with that gun and it never came around again. I am not against pits though by any means, my doggie has pit in him but some of them are just mean as heck!
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Thanks a lot for the tip!
I've always wondered if there was some sort of sonic keychain-like device that would repel or neutralize attacking dogs, but the spray sounds like a great idea.. not that I've been attacked while riding yet, but this one German Shepperd used to charge at me at night when I was walking to and back from a gym. The owner would smirk along with his gf, I remember once that dog even went for two little girls and they were of course petrified.

Sounds like pepper is a good idea to have handy just in case!
Although I'm guessing aiming the tip of the spraying noozle at a charging dog requires a certain pulse..

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I'd of picked that dog up and bit it back, lol. My dog bit me once because I was trying to rub his face in poop for pooping on the floor and I bit him fairly hard on his ear. He never bit me again, lol. I read somewhere that biting back will either show dominance and the dog will cower or it will just retaliate and bite the %$#@ our of you in return, LOL so.... its a gamble. Now back in one of my previous security guard days, I carried a tazer gun and a pitbull came at me wanting blood, I shot it with that gun and it never came around again. I am not against pits though by any means, my doggie has pit in him but some of them are just mean as heck!
Have you ever met any Chows?
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I saw pepper spray in the bike area at the Sports Basement store near me. You can probably get pepper spray in a variety of stores assuming your state doesn't have any crazy rules. I would expect that dogs must be on a leash in any public place. I would have looked for a ranger/cop. Eight dogs? Irresponsible idiots. I ride home late at night and should probably carry pepper spray :-/
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OP, what kind of dog if you don't mind me asking?
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Thanks a lot for the tip!
I've always wondered if there was some sort of sonic keychain-like device that would repel or neutralize attacking dogs, but the spray sounds like a great idea.. not that I've been attacked while riding yet, but this one German Shepperd used to charge at me at night when I was walking to and back from a gym. The owner would smirk along with his gf, I remember once that dog even went for two little girls and they were of course petrified.

Sounds like pepper is a good idea to have handy just in case!
Although I'm guessing aiming the tip of the spraying noozle at a charging dog requires a certain pulse..
Be careful with pepper-spray! Also make sure you get the kind that is for dogs. The kind I have carried were for humans but I still think the tazer is better overall however laws may prevent you from carrying one. Get dog specific spray and try to turn away as much as possible when you have to discharge it at the animal, it may just pee it off and if your blinded, that means it will be easier for it to eat you, lol. I also want to say they make some sort of L.R.A.D. device specifically for animals too, it send out a tone that they cannot stand.

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I have been bitten by one, haha. I was a small kid and it bit me right on the backside. Haha, all I was doing was walking, I guess it just had a bad day and needed some butt biting therapy haha
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Whenever bitten, get a name and address, if they don't provide, call authorities. You don't know the medical history of the dog.
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Spray the dog, taze the owner. I'm joking What you should have done is get the owners info, if he doesn't provide it, then get out of their sight and call the police. If they are not willing to cooperate when asked, they might get confrontational when they see you calling the police, so it's smarter to do it that way.

What the owner told you is of no importance, as you do not know anything about them. He might be lying, he might be not. Are you willing to stake your health, and maybe possibly your life on a word of a stranger with an attitude? Only proper conduct in such a situation is to have their info and check it out with the authorities.

I have been bitten too, by a poodle, and it got swiftly kicked about its axis after it attacked me. The owner escaped first time, but I found him, found where he lived, and contacted the police. They came after the owner and the dog. The owner got a fine, dog was taken on a watch, luckily for me it did not have any diseases. It also happened while the poodle was unleashed. It looked fine and steady until it suddenly jumped and started to bite. I managed to kick it properly after the bite, sadly, not strong enough, it lived. You see, I live and let live, but do not take kindly to other peoples dogs biting me because of their lack of ability to watch out after their own pets. If you manage to make a brat out of a dog, you deal with it! If I get bitten, I will bite back, not only your dog, but you - the irresponsible owner, too. Zero tolerance for others crap - they made the animal violent and uncontrollable, they can handle it, not my problem.

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Biting dogs are taken very seriously in our area, be it a first bite or multiple occasions the authorities want all bites reported to animal control so they can determine if the dog needs putting down, citations given to owners or the dog put into quarantine.

If a dog bites someone, the owner will be saying good-bye to their dog.
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Humans usually give a similar response. They place their hands to their faces and they try to rub the pepper out, while coughing and gasping for breath. Of course, they're really rubbing the pepper deeper into their eyes.
I can attest to that.

I worked for the Texas state prison system for about 11 years. I was pepper sprayed once while in the midst of a use of force. I was tied up w/ an inmate on the floor trying to restrain him when I heard the Lt. shout "Gas him!"

I barely had time to turn my head and close my eyes.

The pepper spray got all over both me and the convict.

I was effectively blind. I couldn't breathe worth a damn. Of course, neither could the inmate. So, there were two guys, both blind and unable to breathe, rolling around on the ground trying to fight one another.

As they say in the pen....."Pepper spray ain't no punk."

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I personally own one of the calmest, sweetest, most good-natured of all dog breeds. But I walk my dogs on leash at all times, and get so pissed off when we get charged by loose dogs large and small. I will NOT hesitate to kick, punch or hit a dog that charges after us. I don't give a flying flip if Fluffy is friendly and wants to say "Hi" to my Greyhounds.
My dogs are leashed and therefore unable to defend themselves when Fluffy the poodle or Max the Mastiff comes tearing across the street to get to us. Sometimes I carry an umbrella, as a ball bat is a bit too obvious.
I say that if a dog is not on a lead, they are fair game to get whacked.
Next time, call the police and report them. Your pants saved you from broken skin. A puncture wound from a bite can get infected really fast.
You could have been in a world of hurt if all 8 dogs had gone into Pack mode. Those 2 people would not have been able to control their own dogs at all if that had happened.
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You might be Plum_Crazy, but you seem to know dogs well enough. If one of them makes a serious attack, the rest are apt to go from sweet little pets into savage and dangerous animals. The owner won't be able to control them, especially the person that has 8 unleashed dogs in a public park.
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I would say that that depends on the scenario...in this case,yeah it should be dealt with,but should someone break into my house late at night,our dog WOULD get and keep the offender occupied while I got up to finish that job,LOL,and she would get a treat afterwards

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I have to at least partially agree....there are lots of dog owners who not only knowingly allow aggressive behavior of their K9 friends (I don't,other than to let her show her distaste for peeps being inside the house/her den*),but praise it-if that be the case,then yeah,the owner deserves serious legal repremands because the dog was only behaving in a manner that it has been taught to do.

OP: I understand it may have been uncomfortable and possibly led to aggressive behavior of the owner and thereby his pack-of-loose dogs,IMHO you did the safest thing just riding away,but I do believe I would have gotten a good description of them,and went straight out of site/range and called the authorities...ignorant,dangerous rednecks (not all "rednecks" are like that) have no business thinking they are somehow special to be above the law,even leash laws,IMHO. Protect yourself from further attack first,worry about what to do afterwards,methinks.

*my thoughts on that is,if she's that protective of her "pack" in her "den",she'll definately let us know should ever someone break in while we sleep. I've had break-ins in my 39 years,once while we were home asleep and the burgler (who turned out to be a "friend",term used loosely) broke into a room between the kids and us...he got shot in the shoulder and arrested for his trouble. Protect your family,my freinds,don't trust to someone else's sense of morality or mercy.
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Not a chance I'd let the owners get away without a minimum of the $$$ required to get new pants. I'm pretty good natured, so if they comped me for my pants, time, and the bite (nothing too extreme needed) I'd tell them to get a leash for their dogs and go on their way.

If they didn't want to make good, I'd call animal control and the police to press charges.
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OP, what kind of dog if you don't mind me asking?
I don't know for sure. It was a medium sized dog. Most of the dogs this guy had seemed like mutts. They were all medium sized, but I didn't recognize the breed of any of them. No pit bulls, german shepards, etc.

Re: Pepper spray. I understand this might be a good idea, but in this situation it wouldn't have helped one bit. I had no chance to react, it wasn't a situation where I was chased.

Now that I've had time to reflect, I agree that I should've reported this person. It wasn't like it was a couple out walking their dog and it suddenly got out of control. This guy had 8 dogs without a leash and certainly couldn't have control of them. Walking them on a MUP in a place where people ride/jog/walk no less. I had my cell phone, I should have used it and had the police give me his information and have the dog tested, etc.

I didn't want to "make waves"...I was having a great ride up to that point and was considering extending my ride further than I planned. And this incident really put a wrench in that. But...I should've made sure this guy learned a lesson the hard way...if for nothing else but other people's safety. What if instead of me this was some kid with his parents? And like some have said, the dogs all went into "pack mode"? It could've been worse and I'm going to count myself as lucky. If it ever happens again, things will be much different.
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"I didn't want to "make waves"...:...

Bear in mind..YOU didn't make waves,they and their dog did
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Bear in mind..YOU didn't make waves,they and their dog did
Yup, I know that...now. It was such a surprise and something that I've never dealt with before that I didn't really know what to think other than, "It seems like I'm ok, let's not make a big deal out of this".
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