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Old 01-10-05, 02:37 PM   #1
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First clipless pedal/shoe combo

I think i'm comfortable enough on my hybrid to start trying out the crazy clipless pedals. I'm doing an MS in a few months, and from what i'm reading clipless is a rather cheap way to improve efficiency. Which would you buy for your first set?

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...eid=&pagename=
^^This is a shoe + egg beater combo. In my price range (just barely).

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^^Shimano pedal. Clipless on one side, platform on the other.

I'm leaning towards the shimano so I can just hop on my bike and go when i'm strapped for time. Plus it'd give me more options on shoes. Could I pedal with normal shoes with the egg beaters in a pinch? With MTB shoes, is the cleat recessed enough that I could just wear them around after I commute on my bike? Also, how does sizing work on that combo deal?

Thanks so much!
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Personally, I would go straight for the Eggbeaters and just wear appropriate shoes. For me, the single-sided hybrid pedals are not convincing. I think they'd be very annoying when riding with cleats since I'd have to flip them over. They would be even more annoying than single-sided weighted road pedals. They'd be just about or as annoying as straps. If you're looking for clipless pedals with large platforms than consider the Time ATAC Z-Control or the Crank Brothers Mallet-Cs as they have bindings and platforms on both sides.

Riding the Eggs with normal shoes may not work too well as you'll find yourself rolling the pedals. The interface won't be stable. MTB shoes with SPD-style cleats are quite walkable and when I used to commute to work, I've been known to just wear my bike shoes all day. BTW, I'd be a little wary of the Answer shoes. Hopefully they've improved them but a friend of mine went through a couple of pairs pretty quickly because the stitching in the uppers were pulling away.
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Do you have any knee issues? If so, buy pedals locally at a shop that'll let you try out and return. If you get a pedal with an adjustable tension, have the shop loosen them as much as possible until you get used to 'em. If you loosen 'em too much and the screw comes out, they're broken. Which is why ya let the shop do it for you
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What are the pluses to a two sided large platform clipless versus the four sided 'beaters?
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What are the pluses to a two sided large platform clipless versus the four sided 'beaters?
With double-sided bindings combined with double-sided platforms, you can wear normal shoes with the large platform pedals or use cleats on either side without having to worry about what side to engage. The four-sided Eggbeater design supposedly allows you to click in quicker but you can only really use them with proper cleats. While the Mallet-Cs use the 4-sided Eggbeater core, because they have a platform, really are just a two-sided engagement pedal.
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I ride my mountain bike with the z-pedals and the platform works for short trips in regular shoes, but it's a little slick if they get wet. Clip in and out is easy and efficiency improvement is great. I ride them with Pearl Izumi Vortex MTB shoes. Walking is OK, but the cleat scrapes once in a while.
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Walking is OK, but the cleat scrapes once in a while.
Yeah, there is a little bit of shoe-to-floor contact on most shoes even with recessed cleats. It depends on how deep the lugs are though. Mine will make the tap-dancing noise as I walk. I would suggest you stay away from or remove your shoes in the presence of hardwood finishes however unless you want the owner to get angry.
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Eggbeaters++

With MTB-style shoes and eggbeater cleats, you can actually walk around like a normal person, for those cases where you need to walk. As alluded to, they do still touch occasionally, but nothing like the standard bug foot road shoe arrangement.

On the Mallets: they are truly 4-sided just like other eggbeaters: the central eggbeater part rotates independently of the platform (same with the candy and whatever the road pedal is called). Also, you can ride on them with normal shoes; there's a little bump where the eggbeater is, but the platform is large enough. I wouldn't recommend that for anything but in a pinch, but that's true of any cleat system.
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What are the pluses to a two sided large platform clipless versus the four sided 'beaters?

A bit more support for your foot. The narrower pedals induce pressure spots under the foot of some people. Wider pedals would improve comfort.
Also, wider pedals are a bit more comfortable if you use them occasionnally with standard shoes, but clearly, if you also intend to ride with street shoes, get single-side pedals.

In terms of getting used to them, don'T use them at first for a 150-km ride! Get used to them gradually, pedal softly and listen to any pains you might have. Sometimes, moving the cleats a few mm or turning them a few degrees is all you need to get comfortable.
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On the Mallets: they are truly 4-sided just like other eggbeaters: the central eggbeater part rotates independently of the platform (same with the candy and whatever the road pedal is called).
I understand that but for all practical purposes they may as well be two-sided only since you still have to align the platforms. The advantage being that the wings because they roll may engage quicker and easier since you can roll your foot into the bindings by sliding the shoe back and forth as opposed to hunting and pecking like with the fixed SPD bindings.
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I understand that but for all practical purposes they may as well be two-sided only since you still have to align the platforms. The advantage being that the wings because they roll may engage quicker and easier since you can roll your foot into the bindings by sliding the shoe back and forth as opposed to hunting and pecking like with the fixed SPD bindings.
Oh, I see what you are saying. True enough, the platforms are only 2-sided (!) But after -- really only a litte -- practice, you basically just push your foot down in the general direction of the pedals and it seems like you're in. I love 'em, fashion and roadie-ness be damned!
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If you clip out more than once an hour, I feel bad for you

We're lucky to have bike paths here that you can go for 200-300 miles without having to stop but a few times... and not cover the same trail twice. And our climbs have no stops either!

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I have the platform/spd pedals, though they're the Performance knock-offs called Campus. They work great. Nashbar has knock-offs too, at about 1/3 the price of the Shimanos. I also have mtb shoes with recessed cleats which allow me to walk anywhere.

I'd recommend them. Nashbar has their Rodeo pedal on sale for $25, which isn't too much to determine if you like clipless or not. The Performance are $35 right now. I bought them with the Traverse shoe for $60 sometime back. I use them for both commuting and mtb riding. I have Looks for my road bike.

Great thing about the platform side is you can be unclipped in hairy situations. I'd say it's less than 5% of my riding (ice, stop&go), but I'm grateful during those times.
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If you clip out more than once an hour, I feel bad for you ....

That's one of the lovely aspects of bike touring. But to visit my area, go to work, shop, etc., our local streets have a few things called "stop signs" and our major streets have traffic lights that sometimes turn red. My 3-km-long commute has 8 traffic lights,

P.S. Except for one path along the Lachine Canal, our bike ways have more stops per km than our roads.
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