Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-17-12, 01:16 PM   #1
dirty tiger
Mostly Harmless
Thread Starter
 
dirty tiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: COLORADO
Bikes:
Posts: 291
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
German bikes in the USA.

I mean, like, where are they? German cars are so popular. Why are German bikes such Hen's Teeth?

Personally, I really like the German Trekking style of bike.....at least form what I've seen on the web.

Last edited by dirty tiger; 07-17-12 at 01:56 PM. Reason: typo
dirty tiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 01:45 PM   #2
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Bikes: Rans Rockst (Retro rocket) Rans Enduro Sport (Retro racket) Catrike 559, Merin Bear Valley (beater bike).
Posts: 26,750
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 145 Post(s)
I have a Porsche mountain bike frame and fork that I'd give you a good deal on.
Retro Grouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 01:59 PM   #3
dirty tiger
Mostly Harmless
Thread Starter
 
dirty tiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: COLORADO
Bikes:
Posts: 291
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
I have a Porsche mountain bike frame and fork that I'd give you a good deal on.
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...
dirty tiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 02:10 PM   #4
DCB0
Banned.
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Bikes: CCM Torino 76
Posts: 937
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Because there are also no American bikes in the USA. Very few, anyway. There would be no advantage to having a German brand of bike becasue it would be made in the same Chainese or Taiwanese factory as an 'American' bike.

Also, the German or Dutch trekking bikes are not popular in the USA as the marketing is built around making all riders pretend to be Tour de France racers. And so the bikes purchased for a few decades now have been mostly impractical 'toys,' hence the desire and infastructure necessary to use a bike for anything more than recreational putting around is rare. People visiting a bike shop would lift up one trekking bike and laugh about the weight and move on to a lighter and much less useful and convenient bike next to it.

THats my $000,000.02, anyway.
DCB0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 02:22 PM   #5
tagaproject6
Goodbye Leeroy Jenkins
 
tagaproject6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Bikes: Wilier Izoard XP (Campagnolo Record);Cinelli Xperience (SRAM Force);Specialized Allez (SRAM Rival);Bianchi Via Nirone 7 (Campagnolo Centaur)
Posts: 7,061
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It is indeed sad that the USA does not have a more prominent cycling culture. This is why we are so fat.
tagaproject6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 04:12 PM   #6
DCB0
Banned.
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Bikes: CCM Torino 76
Posts: 937
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tagaproject6 View Post
It is indeed sad that the USA does not have a more prominent cycling culture. This is why we are so fat.
Partly why, yes.
DCB0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 05:17 PM   #7
Mobile 155
Senior Member
 
Mobile 155's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: So Cal
Bikes: 72-76 Peugeot, 89 Klein Quantum Road Bike,2011 CF Specialized Tarmac road bike. 2013 Haro FL Comp 29er MTB.
Posts: 3,769
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 293 Post(s)
Just exactly what are we talking about? Focus is a German company aren't they? They make a full line of Road, Mountain, Urban and Treking bikes. If someone is looking for a Grandma dutch bike the reason should be obvious, you have to walk one as much as ride one if there are any hills involved.

If the question is why aren't there more old style heavy Dutch style bikes it is the same as why aren't there more Model As or Model Ts anymore. Yes they can be viewed as having a "style" of their own but in bicycles weight is the enemy. No you might not need a 15 pound CF racing bike but there are lots of quality bikes made by Focus and many others that will do the job of a Granny bike at half the weight and just as much duribility. In the US the market place has spoken and people have moved on to MTB, Hybreds, Road, Urban, Utility bikes made of better materials for less money.

No one would suggest you would ride better or enjoy it more if you were 20 pounds heavier why would we assume adding 20 pounds to a bike would make it more enjoyable? The riding public has just moved on and the ones that want old Granny bikes or even Penny/Farthings can buy them for companies that deal in speciality bikes.

So are we talking about German Bikes or Dutch Bikes?
Mobile 155 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 05:25 PM   #8
JanMM
rebmeM roineS
 
JanMM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In Central IN
Bikes: RANS V3, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
Posts: 13,405
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
German VDO computers on my three American bikes.
__________________
RANS V3 - Ti, RANS V-Rex - cromo, RANS Screamer - cromo
JanMM is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 05:59 PM   #9
wahoonc
Senior Member
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: On the road-USA
Bikes: Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG
Posts: 16,687
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
I have two German bikes...one was actually made in Taiwan...just like my American "brand" bikes.

Aaron
__________________
Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(

ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.

"Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"
_Nicodemus

"Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred
Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"
_krazygluon

Last edited by wahoonc; 07-18-12 at 08:08 AM.
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 06:05 PM   #10
dirty tiger
Mostly Harmless
Thread Starter
 
dirty tiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: COLORADO
Bikes:
Posts: 291
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile 155 View Post
Just exactly what are we talking about? Focus is a German company aren't they? They make a full line of Road, Mountain, Urban and Treking bikes. If someone is looking for a Grandma dutch bike the reason should be obvious, you have to walk one as much as ride one if there are any hills involved.

If the question is why aren't there more old style heavy Dutch style bikes it is the same as why aren't there more Model As or Model Ts anymore. Yes they can be viewed as having a "style" of their own but in bicycles weight is the enemy. No you might not need a 15 pound CF racing bike but there are lots of quality bikes made by Focus and many others that will do the job of a Granny bike at half the weight and just as much duribility. In the US the market place has spoken and people have moved on to MTB, Hybreds, Road, Urban, Utility bikes made of better materials for less money.

No one would suggest you would ride better or enjoy it more if you were 20 pounds heavier why would we assume adding 20 pounds to a bike would make it more enjoyable? The riding public has just moved on and the ones that want old Granny bikes or even Penny/Farthings can buy them for companies that deal in speciality bikes.

So are we talking about German Bikes or Dutch Bikes?
I never mentioned anything about "Dutch Bikes"

I just find it interesting that no German bicycle company has established any kind of niche in this country.....ZERO PENETRATION into the market place.
It's ironic considering how popular German cars and Motorcycles are in this country, "German Engineering" has a cult following here.

I only mentioned Trekking Bikes because they seem to be very popular in N. Europe but somewhat obscure here, and they seem like great bikes......although, as I type this I realize that the 29'er Adventure Bike concept that is gaining popularity around here could be seen as an American Trekking bike.
dirty tiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 06:27 PM   #11
dirty tiger
Mostly Harmless
Thread Starter
 
dirty tiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: COLORADO
Bikes:
Posts: 291
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
This is interesting, almost every bike they sell is named after American cities, but I've never seen one. http://www.staiger-fahrrad.de/de/STA...ml?css=staiger
dirty tiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 06:37 PM   #12
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Bikes: Rans Rockst (Retro rocket) Rans Enduro Sport (Retro racket) Catrike 559, Merin Bear Valley (beater bike).
Posts: 26,750
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 145 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty tiger View Post
I just find it interesting that no German bicycle company has established any kind of niche in this country.....ZERO PENETRATION into the market place.
It's ironic considering how popular German cars and Motorcycles are in this country, "German Engineering" has a cult following here.
And yet you scoff at my Porsche frameset which was, indeed, manufactured in Germany.
Retro Grouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 06:45 PM   #13
dirty tiger
Mostly Harmless
Thread Starter
 
dirty tiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: COLORADO
Bikes:
Posts: 291
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
And yet you scoff at my Porsche frameset which was, indeed, manufactured in Germany.
I retract my scoff. It was out of line.
dirty tiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 06:47 PM   #14
wahoonc
Senior Member
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: On the road-USA
Bikes: Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG
Posts: 16,687
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty tiger View Post
This is interesting, almost every bike they sell is named after American cities, but I've never seen one. http://www.staiger-fahrrad.de/de/STA...ml?css=staiger
I have a 2003 Staiger Florida.

Aaron

__________________
Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(

ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.

"Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"
_Nicodemus

"Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred
Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"
_krazygluon
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 07:02 PM   #15
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Bikes: Rans Rockst (Retro rocket) Rans Enduro Sport (Retro racket) Catrike 559, Merin Bear Valley (beater bike).
Posts: 26,750
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 145 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty tiger View Post
I retract my scoff. It was out of line.
If it wasn't so sturdy it might have sold better. Everybody who rode it loved the way that it handled but they also thought that it was too heavy.
Retro Grouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 07:47 PM   #16
dirty tiger
Mostly Harmless
Thread Starter
 
dirty tiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: COLORADO
Bikes:
Posts: 291
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Is it this .... http://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche...-ar112892.html

Or one of these? .... http://www.porsche-bike.net/
dirty tiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 08:03 PM   #17
Bahnzo
Senior Member
 
Bahnzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Loveland, CO
Bikes:
Posts: 203
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
I have a 2003 Staiger Florida.

Aaron
How do you like it? I saw a Staiger come up for sale in the local Craigslist (an El Paso? I think) and I'm kicking myself for not jumping on it because I've never heard of it. But now I'm thinking, Germans are known for their engineering, why wouldn't they make a good bicycle?
Bahnzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 08:32 PM   #18
Thor29
Senior Member
 
Thor29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 757
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bahnzo View Post
How do you like it? I saw a Staiger come up for sale in the local Craigslist (an El Paso? I think) and I'm kicking myself for not jumping on it because I've never heard of it. But now I'm thinking, Germans are known for their engineering, why wouldn't they make a good bicycle?
Go check out reliability reports for BMW and Volkswagen cars and you might rethink that statement.
Thor29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 10:10 PM   #19
alhedges
Senior Member
 
alhedges's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Naptown
Bikes: NWT 24sp DD; Brompton M6R
Posts: 1,133
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I lived in Germany for a couple of years and used to really like Kettler bikes. But the ones I've seen from the past 10 years or so just strike me as ugly and overpriced. I.e., a 36lb aluminum bike with lower-end Shimano components (and a resin chainguard) shouldn't cost $1400. http://www.kettlerusa.com/bikes/women/4374
alhedges is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 10:25 PM   #20
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Bikes: Rans Rockst (Retro rocket) Rans Enduro Sport (Retro racket) Catrike 559, Merin Bear Valley (beater bike).
Posts: 26,750
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 145 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty tiger View Post
None of the above.

Mine was produced in around 1997 or 1998 by Votec. It was a front suspension mountain bike with a HUGE double triple crown front fork that I suspect is what made it so heavy but also rigidly controlled the front wheel. It came with mostly Sachs components and Magura hydraulic rim brakes.

I got it real cheap after making a deal with Porsche to service the bikes.
Retro Grouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 10:40 PM   #21
vt_biketim
wrench from the 70s
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Brattleboro, VT
Bikes: 1970ish Paramount, 1990 Miyata Carbon-tech 3000, home-made mtb-turned commuter, GT Quatrefoil tandem.
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty tiger View Post
I never mentioned anything about "Dutch Bikes"

I just find it interesting that no German bicycle company has established any kind of niche in this country.....ZERO PENETRATION into the market place.
It's ironic considering how popular German cars and Motorcycles are in this country, "German Engineering" has a cult following here.

I only mentioned Trekking Bikes because they seem to be very popular in N. Europe but somewhat obscure here, and they seem like great bikes......although, as I type this I realize that the 29'er Adventure Bike concept that is gaining popularity around here could be seen as an American Trekking bike.
My friend had a Rixe bought at the Bicycle Exchange in Cambridge in the mid 1950s, and of course there were loads of Sears 3-speeds built by Steyr in the 1960s. I had a distributor that brought in some Kalkhoff frames in the late 1970s, but by that time the mark was really strong against the dollar and it didn't make competitive sense against the Yen. Ever since then, you must remember, the German manufacturing economy is really based on taking care of the workers and on protecting the home environment. Der Grune Punkt is based on every single item manufactured in Germany eventually coming back to the maker for recycling, and these costs are built into the price. So, buy a German bike and support the German environment; buy a German bike and support German national healthcare and pensions. Buy an Asian bike and you don't pay for any such things.
vt_biketim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 10:51 PM   #22
tagaproject6
Goodbye Leeroy Jenkins
 
tagaproject6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Bikes: Wilier Izoard XP (Campagnolo Record);Cinelli Xperience (SRAM Force);Specialized Allez (SRAM Rival);Bianchi Via Nirone 7 (Campagnolo Centaur)
Posts: 7,061
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Does anyone have a BMW bike?
tagaproject6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-12, 11:33 PM   #23
no1mad
Thunder Whisperer
 
no1mad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: NE OK
Bikes: '06 Kona Smoke
Posts: 8,741
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 133 Post(s)
Aside from the fact that bikes are considered 'toys' by the vast majority of America, and that most of the LBS' that I've seen cater to the higher end roadies and mtb crowds, with a little bit of comfort bike and hybrids (full spectrum) thrown in, it's quite probable that the average person doesn't know which brand is 'decent/good' or which are the equivalent of Magna/Next.
__________________
Community guidelines
no1mad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-12, 05:48 AM   #24
wahoonc
Senior Member
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: On the road-USA
Bikes: Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG
Posts: 16,687
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bahnzo View Post
How do you like it? I saw a Staiger come up for sale in the local Craigslist (an El Paso? I think) and I'm kicking myself for not jumping on it because I've never heard of it. But now I'm thinking, Germans are known for their engineering, why wouldn't they make a good bicycle?
It is a good, solid, well thought out bike. It is similar in construction to any one of several non German brands. The biggest thing I like about it, is unlike US spec bikes it comes fully equipped with racks, fenders, lights, dyno hub, bell and a pump. Buy a US spec bike and you usually have to add all that stuff on at a pretty significant cost.

I bought a Redline R530 city bike and nearly doubled the cost of the bike by adding a dyno hub, lights and such.

Aaron

__________________
Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(

ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.

"Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"
_Nicodemus

"Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred
Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"
_krazygluon
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-12, 07:55 AM   #25
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Bikes: 7
Posts: 20,467
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 663 Post(s)
German Tout Terrain Bike frame/forks, are Imported and sold by Peter White.

Of note their Silk Road,a Disc Brake Trekking frame , rack welded on.

German Cars have a Dealer network, in the US.. bikes have not,
and less competitively priced as Euro is more than the dollar.

[vs the Asian contract builders, used by most brands]

Last edited by fietsbob; 07-18-12 at 07:59 AM.
fietsbob is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:03 AM.