I may have finally found what I need for cool weather riding. Bibs. I purchased a pair of Pearl Izumi bib tights, and I think they may just be what I need. They are finally tight enough. Regular tights are never tight enough. I always have to wear some kind of undergarment under them (the boys can't stand the freedom), but the bibs seem to keep everything tight. (Actually I worry they may be a little too tight--the boys seem to be split down the middle--TMI, I realize!) Anyway, I'm liking these. Others of you found the bibs to provide a more comfortable ride? I have gotten so frustrated and cold as regular tights slip down the backside. And as I said before, they just didn't provide any support. I feel like a kid with a new toy. should have thought of this before.