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Old 01-16-05, 07:20 AM   #1
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What is it with some forum posters?

I'm referring to a group of somewhat regular posters who seem to follow the forums looking for an opportunity to rudely reproach a post that they deem misguided. Sometimes the original post is flat wrong, sometimes debatably wrong, and sometimes correct but misunderstood. What bothers me more than the potentially incorrect information is the rudeness of so many posts.

Of course I understand the sentiment that wrong information should not be propagated, but it seems to me that a positive environment should be the first priority for a forum that first and foremost is for people interested in an internet cycling community. I have no problem with posts that correct bogus information; this is often done in a constructive and informative way. However, too often I'll see a post where a minor error was made and the vultures sweep in to claim victory by rudely capitalizing on the mistake in what I imagine is an effort to demonstrate their superior knowledge of bicycle information.

I suppose those posters justify their style based on the belief that above all these forums should be a resource of nothing but correct information. Again, I of course want the discussions to ultimately arrive at the "truth", but it is sad that it is often done at the expense of an environment in which general enthusiasts will feel comfortable making posts.

I wonder if it is the anonymous nature of the forums that brings out this behavior? Some aggressive / obnoxious drivers act in a way that I'm sure they would otherwise not if it weren't for the fact that they can anonymously take out their day to day frustrations. It is sad to be reminded of a horn honking SUV driver when reading about the hobby I've adopted partially to get away from the horn honking culture.
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Name names.

I don't come on the internet to be nice or to run away from my identity. My name is plastered all over this web so the prospect of anonymity went flying out the door years ago.

I'm a straight-forward, no bs, kinda guy in 'real life' and I'm not gonna change on the internet. I try to be as diplomatic as I can here, but when somebody asks if it's ok to wear spandex, or some other ridiculous topic that's been discussed hundreds of times, the gloves are off.

It's true that a lot of people use the internet as a place to vent frustrations, knowing they are in an anonymous environment, but they're easy enough to ignore.
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I'm referring to a group of somewhat regular posters who seem to follow the forums looking for an opportunity to rudely reproach a post that they deem misguided. Sometimes the original post is flat wrong, sometimes debatably wrong, and sometimes correct but misunderstood. What bothers me more than the potentially incorrect information is the rudeness of so many posts.

Of course I understand the sentiment that wrong information should not be propagated, but it seems to me that a positive environment should be the first priority for a forum that first and foremost is for people interested in an internet cycling community. I have no problem with posts that correct bogus information; this is often done in a constructive and informative way. However, too often I'll see a post where a minor error was made and the vultures sweep in to claim victory by rudely capitalizing on the mistake in what I imagine is an effort to demonstrate their superior knowledge of bicycle information.

I suppose those posters justify their style based on the belief that above all these forums should be a resource of nothing but correct information. Again, I of course want the discussions to ultimately arrive at the "truth", but it is sad that it is often done at the expense of an environment in which general enthusiasts will feel comfortable making posts.

I wonder if it is the anonymous nature of the forums that brings out this behavior? Some aggressive / obnoxious drivers act in a way that I'm sure they would otherwise not if it weren't for the fact that they can anonymously take out their day to day frustrations. It is sad to be reminded of a horn honking SUV driver when reading about the hobby I've adopted partially to get away from the horn honking culture.
You make excellent points. But think back to psych. 101...it's all textbook.
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I'm referring to a group of somewhat regular posters who seem to follow the forums looking for an opportunity to rudely reproach a post that they deem misguided. Sometimes the original post is flat wrong, sometimes debatably wrong, and sometimes correct but misunderstood. What bothers me more than the potentially incorrect information is the rudeness of so many posts.

Of course I understand the sentiment that wrong information should not be propagated, but it seems to me that a positive environment should be the first priority for a forum that first and foremost is for people interested in an internet cycling community. I have no problem with posts that correct bogus information; this is often done in a constructive and informative way. However, too often I'll see a post where a minor error was made and the vultures sweep in to claim victory by rudely capitalizing on the mistake in what I imagine is an effort to demonstrate their superior knowledge of bicycle information.

I suppose those posters justify their style based on the belief that above all these forums should be a resource of nothing but correct information. Again, I of course want the discussions to ultimately arrive at the "truth", but it is sad that it is often done at the expense of an environment in which general enthusiasts will feel comfortable making posts.

I wonder if it is the anonymous nature of the forums that brings out this behavior? Some aggressive / obnoxious drivers act in a way that I'm sure they would otherwise not if it weren't for the fact that they can anonymously take out their day to day frustrations. It is sad to be reminded of a horn honking SUV driver when reading about the hobby I've adopted partially to get away from the horn honking culture.
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Name names.

I don't come on the internet to be nice or to run away from my identity. My name is plastered all over this web so the prospect of anonymity went flying out the door years ago.

I'm a straight-forward, no bs, kinda guy in 'real life' and I'm not gonna change on the internet. I try to be as diplomatic as I can here, but when somebody asks if it's ok to wear spandex, or some other ridiculous topic that's been discussed hundreds of times, the gloves are off.

It's true that a lot of people use the internet as a place to vent frustrations, knowing they are in an anonymous environment, but they're easy enough to ignore.
I have been on bulletin boards and the internet since they first started and I got a computer with a 300 baud modem in the 80's - and if having redundant questions and expressions bothers you a lot, then perhaps you need to find somewhere else to occupy your time.

With a forum with new people all the time, you get the same questions again and again and again. And that is the nature of forums and BB's. Just get used to it! It will never change no matter how rude or nice we are to each other - so, the best solution IMHO is to attempt to be nice rather than rude. Sadly, I don't always do that, but I try (and I am trying even harder lately)!
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Each of us should write our answers as though our mothers were watching.
Manners are what separate us from jellatinuous sea life.
One of my tenets: "Anyone can be an a$$hole, but it takes strength to be kind".
Those who attack others, probably have an adequacy complex anyway.
Ok, that's my rant, now fight nice.
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You just have to learn who to trust on the forums....OSNN.net has a referral system...if someone posts info you find useful then you can leave them a "point" and they build up a reputation as to how useful the information they provide is. There are about 5 ppl on these boards who I listen to without questioning much, but everyone's info is much appreciated.
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With a forum with new people all the time, you get the same questions again and again and again. And that is the nature of forums and BB's. Just get used to it! It will never change no matter how rude or nice we are to each other - so, the best solution IMHO is to attempt to be nice rather than rude. Sadly, I don't always do that, but I try (and I am trying even harder lately)!
Hey Raiyn, where's that search graphic you're always using? I think that needs to be plastered on the front page.
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Hey Raiyn, where's that search graphic you're always using? I think that needs to be plastered on the front page.
It is just as easy to do a search for the individual and to post the link to that search either by PM or on the forum than it is to complain in writing about their not searching. That way they learn that you can search and you help them with their info needs, all at the same time. For example:

"Search forums" reveals
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However, too often I'll see a post where a minor error was made and the vultures sweep in to claim victory by rudely capitalizing on the mistake in what I imagine is an effort to demonstrate their superior knowledge of bicycle information.
So if poster "A" posts innacurate/innane/insane information at 8:00 am and poster "B" corrects it when he/she logs in at 5:00 pm, poster "B" is "swooping in like a vulture"?

Some people will be upset when they get corrected no matter what the style of correction. Get over it.

I do the two "L"'s here: lurk and learn and I know there are lots of posters who post stuff they hear on a bike ride or read in Bicycling Mag that is complete BS and I'm glad when wrong info is corrected.
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There are only so many parts to a bicycle and so many styles of riding. This forum would have died a long time ago if the same questions were not asked over and over again. Right or wrong answers may be both, depending on your level and type of riding. Treat others as you want to be treated yourself. Maybe better!
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I'm referring to a group of somewhat regular posters who seem to follow the forums looking for an opportunity to rudely reproach a post that they deem misguided. Sometimes the original post is flat wrong, sometimes debatably wrong, and sometimes correct but misunderstood. What bothers me more than the potentially incorrect information is the rudeness of so many posts.

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I suppose those posters justify their style based on the belief that above all these forums should be a resource of nothing but correct information. Again, I of course want the discussions to ultimately arrive at the "truth", but it is sad that it is often done at the expense of an environment in which general enthusiasts will feel comfortable making posts.

I wonder if it is the anonymous nature of the forums that brings out this behavior? Some aggressive / obnoxious drivers act in a way that I'm sure they would otherwise not if it weren't for the fact that they can anonymously take out their day to day frustrations. It is sad to be reminded of a horn honking SUV driver when reading about the hobby I've adopted partially to get away from the horn honking culture.

You almost spelled "obnoxious" wrong. Be more careful next time.



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I don't disagree that it is good to correct wrong information; it is the style that I think is sometimes bad for the forum.

I'd like to think that most people who post an answer to a question are trying to help. Perhaps the information they're passing along is indeed something they heard on a bike ride or read in a magazine (which, by the way, at least has an editorial staff). If you know what they've related to be incorrect, it would be a lot more constructive to explain why. A reply of, "that's just BS" followed by yet another answer really doesn't do any good. The poster of the potentially incorrect information is now less likely to contribute in the future (when they may well be able to help someone), and it is still not clear to other readers what the correct answer actually is.

If it is worth the effort to correct an erroneous post, why not take the time to do it in a polite way that actually clarifies the situation?

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So if poster "A" posts innacurate/innane/insane information at 8:00 am and poster "B" corrects it when he/she logs in at 5:00 pm, poster "B" is "swooping in like a vulture"?

Some people will be upset when they get corrected no matter what the style of correction. Get over it.

I do the two "L"'s here: lurk and learn and I know there are lots of posters who post stuff they hear on a bike ride or read in Bicycling Mag that is complete BS and I'm glad when wrong info is corrected.
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This forum has a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!

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Personally I think people need to stop being so gosh darn sensitive. If you're wrong you need to suck it up and drive on. But that's just my opinion. I've found that many times things are interpreted wrongfully.

Truth be told I know like three of you in real life the rest not at all, so the words you put on my computer screen are only going to bother me so much.
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posting is a very difficult thing. It is difficult to discern humor, temperament, etc. hell, communication when people are face to face is difficult enough...

It is just frustrating when posters get off subject and hijack a legitamate question to the point that it doesn't get answered.
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Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.
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This forum has a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!

Yeah, you donít see this kind of posts on other forums. Perhaps people there discuss bicycling topics and not why X expressed his opinion thatís different from how you feel thus making you upset for some add reason. Hereís a tip: Use IGNORE option.


Perhaps this will cheer you up
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It is just frustrating when posters get off subject and hijack a legitamate question to the point that it doesn't get answered.
Anybody know where I can buy a new bike for around $700?

Posts are directly related to the personality of the people behind them. They are more like conversation as opposed to formal letter writing. Naturally, there is some protocol and spirit that most people understand and use, but like so many things in life, a lot of people don't.

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I'm sorry if anyone has a problem with a post like LordOpie's post they need to turn their computer off and go get a sense of humor.
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no, LordOpieTaylor's post is well placed. That is an obvious attempt to break things up. I mean when someone posts a question about saddles, and someone starts talking about seatposts. Then it mutates into saddlebags.....

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I have been on bulletin boards and the internet since they first started and I got a computer with a 300 baud modem in the 80's - and if having redundant questions and expressions bothers you a lot, then perhaps you need to find somewhere else to occupy your time.

With a forum with new people all the time, you get the same questions again and again and again. And that is the nature of forums and BB's. Just get used to it! It will never change no matter how rude or nice we are to each other - so, the best solution IMHO is to attempt to be nice rather than rude. Sadly, I don't always do that, but I try (and I am trying even harder lately)!
Wow someone who knows what a real bbs is nice. BAck in the days when everyone was a newb at something haha I really miss those days (and the games too)

He has it right. Its the nature of the beast. If you don't like, in reality you need to start your own bulletin board and post strict rules. Oh wait, any *nix group is already like this, built to sustain the elite and scare the newbs away. We try to slow the questions with stickies but they are still bound to be asked.

As for the posts that are mean, again with the newbs you get the troll, baby troll and jerks. It is, again, the nature ofthe beast. I wish I could remember that website that had them all listed and pics to represent them.
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Cowbell has a nice ring to it but I don't understand what it means here...any one care to enlighten me?
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