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    Why don't Pros use seats with cut outs?

    I've started paying attention to what saddles the Pros use. I've not seen one with a cut out. I'm sure there are some, but I have not found any.

    If it's true the majority of the Pros don't use them, even when their sponsor makes one, I wonder if it's just marketing BS?

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    I hope I am not being drawn in but I'll give it a shot. Not everyone has perineum problems and there are more than cutouts to address the ones that do. Some of the pro saddles do have cutouts like the SMP CF saddle, about $600.00, that I couldn't ride to save my life. But they are feather light. Many of the pro saddles have a small channel or a curve the allows for less pressure in that area. But that being said they also are much better at pelvic tilt than the average rider. Look at many pro riders and you will see men that have very little upper bogy mass, some look like they escaped from Auschwitz. But they have great core striength and can tilt their pelvis back while in the drops. For a pro that spends so much time getting in shape and shedding any extra ounces of body fat a 250 gram saddle is out of the question. A racing saddle has to first be made of petrified smoke and second has no padding to speak of. Comfort is secondary to someone who is willing to suffer to win. Here is one pro using a SMP. http://danielcarruthers.com/2009/10/...to-its-claims/ And some background on the rider. http://danielcarruthers.com/about/
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    they put a lot of weight on the pedals to keep up, very little sitting ,
    and yea weigh 140 pounds mostly Leg muscles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbeasley View Post
    I've started paying attention to what saddles the Pros use. I've not seen one with a cut out. I'm sure there are some, but I have not found any.

    If it's true the majority of the Pros don't use them, even when their sponsor makes one, I wonder if it's just marketing BS?
    The pros don't use aluminum rims or steel frames either. Most of them are decades younger than I am. My needs are different from theirs. I like a little gap there, cutout, groove, depression or the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbeasley View Post
    Why don't Pros use seats with cut outs?
    Because they are the most painful and useless types of saddles to ride.

    Instead of having a smooth surface on which to plant your sitbones and gently rest the rest of your sitting area, you've got two narrow, slightly raised, hard bars on which to rest everything, on either side of the cutout. Big OUCH. I was given a cutout saddle with a tandem we bought, and thought I'd give it a try. I rode it several times but 20 km was all I could manage without being in agony.

    I can't imagine how anyone can possibly find sitting on something like that remotely comfortable.

    I couldn't get a Brooks saddle on the bicycle fast enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobile 155 View Post
    I hope I am not being drawn in but I'll give it a shot. Not everyone has perineum problems and there are more than cutouts to address the ones that do. Some of the pro saddles do have cutouts like the SMP CF saddle, about $600.00, that I couldn't ride to save my life. But they are feather light. Many of the pro saddles have a small channel or a curve the allows for less pressure in that area. But that being said they also are much better at pelvic tilt than the average rider. Look at many pro riders and you will see men that have very little upper bogy mass, some look like they escaped from Auschwitz. But they have great core striength and can tilt their pelvis back while in the drops. For a pro that spends so much time getting in shape and shedding any extra ounces of body fat a 250 gram saddle is out of the question. A racing saddle has to first be made of petrified smoke and second has no padding to speak of. Comfort is secondary to someone who is willing to suffer to win. Here is one pro using a SMP. http://danielcarruthers.com/2009/10/...to-its-claims/ And some background on the rider. http://danielcarruthers.com/about/
    Makes sense, thanks!

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    I don't find that cutouts, per se, make a difference for me. A saddle that's the appropriate width and shape (more flat side-to-side and front-to-back) works well for me whether it's got a cutout or not. I find that saddles that are too narrow or arched side-to-side put more pressure in the middle.

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    + nose of the saddle has to be wider to have something around the hole..


    [except, of course, the heavy leather ones,
    that have the hole punched out of the same leather,
    as the other version]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobile 155 View Post
    I hope I am not being drawn in but I'll give it a shot. Not everyone has perineum problems and there are more than cutouts to address the ones that do. Some of the pro saddles do have cutouts like the SMP CF saddle, about $600.00, that I couldn't ride to save my life. But they are feather light. Many of the pro saddles have a small channel or a curve the allows for less pressure in that area. But that being said they also are much better at pelvic tilt than the average rider. Look at many pro riders and you will see men that have very little upper bogy mass, some look like they escaped from Auschwitz. But they have great core striength and can tilt their pelvis back while in the drops. For a pro that spends so much time getting in shape and shedding any extra ounces of body fat a 250 gram saddle is out of the question. A racing saddle has to first be made of petrified smoke and second has no padding to speak of. Comfort is secondary to someone who is willing to suffer to win. Here is one pro using a SMP. http://danielcarruthers.com/2009/10/...to-its-claims/ And some background on the rider. http://danielcarruthers.com/about/

    Nonesense. The so-called suffering has nothing to do with saddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbeasley View Post
    I've started paying attention to what saddles the Pros use. I've not seen one with a cut out. I'm sure there are some, but I have not found any.

    If it's true the majority of the Pros don't use them, even when their sponsor makes one, I wonder if it's just marketing BS?
    Did you pay attention to each and every pro cyclist or did you come to the conclusion via TV coverage?
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    I got this seat:
    http://www.triathloncentre.com/colle...natomic-design
    because it was cheap on craigslist, and I was looking to cheap-up my city beater. I actually rather liked it, I do like my brooks more, but it's kind of nice to have a different saddle on my other bike. I wouldn't say cut-outs are useless, some people prefer them. I'm neutral on the matter myself, the most I've done on it at a time is 80km and it was fine.

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    I use them.

    I'm sure it takes a proper fit like any other seat. When I'm in the saddle I feel literally nothing down there other than the 2 pressure points directly under my sit bones. Don't feel the cut out, don't feel any other pressure anywhere else. For me I can't imagine ever going back. FWIW, I use a Sella Italia SLR Flow and have it on 3 of my 4 bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tagaproject6 View Post
    Did you pay attention to each and every pro cyclist or did you come to the conclusion via TV coverage?
    It started with TV coverage of the California race, TDF, and the Colorado one. I then searched for pictures of team bikes and team bikes up for sale. Very un scientific but you just don't see cut outs. I'm sure there are some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyhuu View Post
    Nonesense. The so-called suffering has nothing to do with saddle.
    Look up the word Hyperbole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    Because they are the most painful and useless types of saddles to ride.

    Instead of having a smooth surface on which to plant your sitbones and gently rest the rest of your sitting area, you've got two narrow, slightly raised, hard bars on which to rest everything, on either side of the cutout. Big OUCH. I was given a cutout saddle with a tandem we bought, and thought I'd give it a try. I rode it several times but 20 km was all I could manage without being in agony.

    I can't imagine how anyone can possibly find sitting on something like that remotely comfortable.

    I couldn't get a Brooks saddle on the bicycle fast enough.
    I normally stay away from Brooks comments but I will make an exception here. He will not find a Brooks B-17 on a pro bike either. I tried one and after about 500 miles traded it for a Selle Itallia. Different saddels for differnt people. But he will find a lot of 165 gram saddles made by a lot of different manufacturers. Some with groves, channels and pure Carbion Fiber ones like I posted.

    Now if we are talking touring cyclists you have a point.
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    I think pros don't have the problem of over pressure in the area

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobile 155 View Post
    I hope I am not being drawn in but I'll give it a shot. Not everyone has perineum problems and there are more than cutouts to address the ones that do. Some of the pro saddles do have cutouts like the SMP CF saddle, about $600.00, that I couldn't ride to save my life. But they are feather light. Many of the pro saddles have a small channel or a curve the allows for less pressure in that area. But that being said they also are much better at pelvic tilt than the average rider. Look at many pro riders and you will see men that have very little upper bogy mass, some look like they escaped from Auschwitz. But they have great core striength and can tilt their pelvis back while in the drops. For a pro that spends so much time getting in shape and shedding any extra ounces of body fat a 250 gram saddle is out of the question. A racing saddle has to first be made of petrified smoke and second has no padding to speak of. Comfort is secondary to someone who is willing to suffer to win. Here is one pro using a SMP. http://danielcarruthers.com/2009/10/...to-its-claims/ And some background on the rider. http://danielcarruthers.com/about/
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