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    Machka, just so I can try to understand where you are coming from, what religion are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose200x View Post
    Machka, just so I can try to understand where you are coming from, what religion are you?
    I'm coming from the perspective of an experienced long distance cyclist, and relatively experienced cycletourist (who has also raced a little bit in the past).

    When I tell you that doing 20 mph with a bicycle loaded with touring gear (and your weight) is unrealistic ... I do have some idea what I'm talking about. If you were to ask that question in the Touring Forum, most would tell you that 10 mph is about all your going to manage in those conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    I'm coming from the perspective of an experienced long distance cyclist, and relatively experienced cycletourist (who has also raced a little bit in the past).

    When I tell you that doing 20 mph with a bicycle loaded with touring gear (and your weight) is unrealistic ... I do have some idea what I'm talking about. If you were to ask that question in the Touring Forum, most would tell you that 10 mph is about all your going to manage in those conditions.
    Oh come on! That answer sucks!

    And also,
    When I tell you that doing 20 mph with a bicycle loaded with touring gear (and your weight) is unrealistic
    Is why I am here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose200x View Post
    Oh come on! That answer sucks!

    And also, Is why I am here.
    Sorry, but religion has nothing to do with any of this ... my perspective comes from experience .


    And you're here to find out what's realistic ... or not? If you are actually serious about this, one way to find out what is realistic is to do as suggested. Put a computer on your bicycle, go for a 15 minute ride, and see what the computer says.

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    You dont even need to buy a computer. Download an app called Strava to your phone. It will tell you how far and fast you went. And I am a Christian, but sorry man, Jesus isn't gonna make this possible, any more than He saved Tebow from the Giants' ferocious pass rush last week. Set achievable goals and work towards them.

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    Machka has given as honest, practical and realistic answers as you could possibly expect.
    Good advice from others too.

    Also, Isn't West to East preferred to take advantage of prevailing winds ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    I'm coming from the perspective of an experienced long distance cyclist, and relatively experienced cycletourist (who has also raced a little bit in the past).

    When I tell you that doing 20 mph with a bicycle loaded with touring gear (and your weight) is unrealistic ... I do have some idea what I'm talking about. If you were to ask that question in the Touring Forum, most would tell you that 10 mph is about all your going to manage in those conditions.
    I was watching the race in Colorado yesterday on TV. When they weren't sprinting, apparently the racers were averaging about 22 mph. So 20 mph with touring luggage and no one to draft would be quite an achievement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    I was watching the race in Colorado yesterday on TV. When they weren't sprinting, apparently the racers were averaging about 22 mph. So 20 mph with touring luggage and no one to draft would be quite an achievement.
    Especially on an upright tricycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose200x View Post
    I've read these posts and will go through here and try to answer most of the questions you asked.....

    No, I am not using anything as an "excuse" to remain heavy. The idea I am going with is if a 400lb man is willing to push his body to the absolute breaking point then hopefully people will be interested in my story and help raise money/awareness. I really hope that if I can lose 50-100 or even more that i'd draw even more interest! Can you imagine if I lost 150lbs!?!? I'm sure that would snag me some sweet tv time

    Southern Tier is 3k and I was planning on doing six 15min rides a day. Aiming for 30miles a day. My basic plan as for pre-fitness is to ride 15 mins a day for a week, upping it to 45 mins the 2nd week and then the third week aim for the full six 15 min sessions. I plan on camping 5-6 days a week and staying at a hotel 1-2 days a week.

    I do have a bike but it's just a junkie mountain bike. I ride it around every now and then. I will aim for a mile ride tomorrow and let you guys know what's up.



    Anything anyone else wants to know? I am new to this whole idea so I really appreciate brainstorming with you guys.
    Honestly, your figures are so far off what you'll achieve it's just not funny.

    6 x 15mins is one and a half hours. To do 30 miles a day means you're going to have to average 20mph. Not to put too fine a point on it, that's not going to happen from where you are now. By the time you've got up to speed I'd hazard a guess that for the first few days if you do 6 x 15mins you'll maybe be looking at 15-20 miles per day, assuming you're not talking about going over mountains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by contango View Post
    Honestly, your figures are so far off what you'll achieve it's just not funny.

    6 x 15mins is one and a half hours. To do 30 miles a day means you're going to have to average 20mph. Not to put too fine a point on it, that's not going to happen from where you are now. By the time you've got up to speed I'd hazard a guess that for the first few days if you do 6 x 15mins you'll maybe be looking at 15-20 miles per day, assuming you're not talking about going over mountains.
    However, 30 miles a day at 10 mph ( 3 hours) seems doable. Even if it takes 6 hours, that leaves you with 18 hours of rest.
    The logistics of camping, food, repairs, lugging camping gear etc needs to be properly thought out.

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    Machka, just so I can try to understand where you are coming from, what religion are you?
    I think she's a disciple of the Church of LDC (Long Distance Cycling)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose200x View Post
    Oh come on! That answer sucks!

    And also, Is why I am here.
    Yep, the answer sucks. It sucks like a tornado. What will suck even more is if you figure you'll average 20mph for 3000 miles and then hit the wall of reality hard enough to shatter your dreams, break all your calculations and leave you somewhere in the Rocky Mountains having used up all your budgeted time and money and still barely half way through your ride with miles and miles of crushing hills still ahead of you.

    When I ride the 80-odd miles to see some friends of mine it takes me 7 hours, give or take. I weigh only slightly over half what you weigh, I'm on a machine much sleeker than an upright trike, and I'm carrying enough stuff for my ride and a couple of changes of clothes for when I'm there rather than full camping gear and a fully loaded touring rig.

    Not trying to be funny with you here, but it seems you've come up with some numbers that just aren't going to happen and then get unhappy with people who tell you they won't happen. In many circles that's called shooting the messenger.

    If you want to lose weight do it for yourself, or do a sponsored slim or some such. Set yourself a target that will challenge you rather than leave you crushed and build on that. What advice would you give someone in your position who announced they were running a marathon in six weeks? You're looking at something far more than running a marathon.

    Just one other point. If you're serious then do as Machka suggested, put a computer on your bike and see how much ground you actually cover in 15 minutes. Then find yourself a local hill and see how your speed drops when you try to climb it. Then load your rig like you'll load it for the tour and repeat. From there you can see just what's ahead of you, and what sort of speed is realistic.

    If you're going to pull numbers out of the air then why not assume you'll average 30mph for 4 hours every day, making 120 miles a day, 840 miles a week, and complete the ride in 4 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    However, 30 miles a day at 10 mph ( 3 hours) seems doable. Even if it takes 6 hours, that leaves you with 18 hours of rest.
    The logistics of camping, food, repairs, lugging camping gear etc needs to be properly thought out.
    Yes, 10mph for 3 hours or 5mph for 6 hours still add up to 30 miles in a day. The crucial thing is that if the OP has pulled numbers out of the air for speed he's going to be disappointed, especially if he's also pulled numbers out of the air for anything else.

    30 miles in a day still means the trip will take 100 days. Starting on October 1 that means it will finish sometime mid-January, assuming nothing goes wrong along the way. If nothing else that means the potential for nasty weather is there, which will slow him down and sap both his strength and morale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    I think she's a disciple of the Church of LDC (Long Distance Cycling)
    No, she's the high priestess.
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    The Southern Tier Trail http://www.adventurecycling.org/routes/southerntier.cfm

    It's suggested to go in late fall to early spring.

    So, 10mph is the average speed so that is going to be a total of 3 hours of riding. That seems more realistic. I figured 20mph from talking to a guy on youtube who told me he averaged 30-35mph. I am guessing he was full of ****.


    The main reason I picked either KY-OR or FL-CA going east to west is to get 2000 miles of fairly flat ground till I hit the hills. Figure i'd be in pretty decent shape by then. Is that faulty logic?

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    That's good logic. It's the rest of the plan that needs work.

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    And you'll quite likely start even less than 10 mph, especially on a mountain bike or tricycle, and especially loaded with camping gear. You may start at 6 or 8 mph. But you won't know that till you get on your bicycle and go for a ride, or two, or three, and find out.

    For example ... Rowan and I are touring right now with camping gear, etc. I can ride quite comfortably at about 20 km/h with my unloaded titanium bicycle. Some days I can get it up to a reasonably comfortable 22 km/h, and when I'm doing intervals I can sustain about 27 km/h for 2 minutes at a time. (I used to be faster, but I'm getting older and have had some medical issues). However, with our loaded touring bicycles the conditions have to be absolutely ideal for me to get up anywhere close to 20 km/h, and most of the time we're riding around 16 km/h (10 mph).

    Others may have different speed results when they ride.

    Once you know what speed you can ride under various conditions, then you can start making estimates.

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    Moose,

    Here's another idea. Why don't you ride to a goal weight instead of a destination. Abandon the charity angle. That way, doing a mile on your first day will be news, not defeat. The further you get, the farther you go. You can probably get companies to sponsor you, jenny craig or the like, and even provide your bike and your food and shelter. Your inexperience will be a plus not a hurdle. Contact Lance as a coach. He's needing a boost about now.

    As others have said, riding across the country for charity is no longer a story. It's been done too often. But a 400 lb man setting off to ride himself thin is news. You can provide the travel log by setting out a tenative itinerary and an estimated weight loss, per day and total. Then provide updated totals on the facebook page for your ride. Make videos, show a sense of humor.
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    I've been reading this with some amusement because I've decided to do a transamerica ride myself in 6 years. Originally I wanted to do it next year but my wife apparently didn't know I was serious the first time I got the okay. Now that she knows I'm serious she's agreed to drive sag in 6 years. You'll find it under the "big clyde ride" thread in the clydes group.

    Anyways, what amuses me about it is that one of the guys in the thread actually asked about how I'd support myself during the ride because there's always someone coming onto the touring forum with an idea to go across the country and get charitable donations to use to support themselves. Two weeks later I read your thread.

    I'm 300 lbs myself but I do a lot of 50-80 mile rides. I know for a fact that it took me more than a year of riding seriously to build a base that would allow me to do back to back 50 mile days without feeling too run down. That isn't to say that I couldn't do it before but that I can tell when I should and shouldn't train and it took that long before my recovery was sufficient.

    It's not that you can't do what you want to do but consider giving yourself a lot of time to train and get ready. A transamerica ride has some crazy mountains and if you're doing it by yourself then any touring can be REALLY lonely.

    I'd say, get some people to ride with that are around your same level of fitness and spend some time training then do it as a group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose200x View Post
    Big fat zero.

    If I do the Southern tier route I will leave October 1st. I don't plan to really lose any major amount of weigh before I go. A 400 pound man riding across country will hopefully allow me to get my cause out there and get some real attention to the cause.
    That's my problem with this Moose, you seem to want to draw attention to yourself by intentionally not wanting to lose weight right now If you start losing weight NOW and getting in shape NOW, and then start your ride in October, that would be cool and very admirable.

    I would suggest if you do the Southern Tier in October, start in the East and go west, the terrain will be far flatter to start off while you get in shape. The prevailing winds going West-East vs East-West aren't that much of a factor.

    There's a man named Steve Vaught who did the same thing you want to do only he walked across the United States. Also an Appalachian trail thru-hiker who started off weighing 350 pounds when he started and he finished the trail.

    The time however is now to get ready for your ride and for your personal health. Start a blog, post photos here of yourself, your daily rides, trails and errors and such..... You'll get quite a following here in BF and you're have a rooting section with 100 of followers here.

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    Too much too fast. You should start training now and think again next year. Your knees or other body parts will end your journey short, if your brain doesn't quit before that.

    By reading your posts it is pretty clear that you have no idea what you are getting yourself into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose200x View Post
    I figured 20mph from talking to a guy on youtube who told me he averaged 30-35mph. I am guessing he was full of ****.
    Totally full of ****. 35 mph = 58 km/h. THe world record for riding an upright bike for an hour is 56.3 km/h.

    You need to start riding... NOW!

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    Dip rear wheel in one ocean and the front in the the other ocean? Suggest Panama.

    Agree. If a 450lb person can ride across the country (even Panama), then nothing should be out of reach, including losing 200lb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose200x View Post
    Big fat zero.

    If I do the Southern tier route I will leave October 1st. I don't plan to really lose any major amount of weigh before I go. A 400 pound man riding across country will hopefully allow me to get my cause out there and get some real attention to the cause.

    I hate to rain on parades, but I'm going to say no.

    I started my weight loss journey at 460 pounds 2 years ago. At that weight, and at my activity level (Big fat zero), it took me a year, working out 6 days a week, to lose 100 pounds, and work up to the ability level to bike 10 miles in an hour on a completely flat bike path. And I was utterly exhausted.

    My very first workout at that weight was 15 minutes and I couldn't keep it up past then. I intended a 30 minute workout, but bailed halfway through.


    I now have over 5000 miles of real cycling under my belt, but even with all of this experience I do not believe I would be able to bike across the country. Your biggest enemy is going to be hills. At some point you're going to have to cross the Rocky Mountains. That will kill you at 450 pounds. Hills around where I live kill me, and almost everyone on bikeforums considers those hills to be "speedbumps". With no bike experience you're simply not going to be able to do them.

    I really hate being negative when you have such lofty intentions, but there's just no way this is going to work out well for you.

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    I am loving all these responses.

    The AT trail is one thing I've flirted with. Walking tho I can't carry much gear so that is why I abandoned that thought for now. It's on my bucket list.

    I love the start riding with a weight goal in mind and not a destination.

    Mith- One problem I have right now with my weight and biking is I have to keep the bike going fairly quick cuz once it slows I tip over. How did you handle this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose200x View Post
    I've read these posts and will go through here and try to answer most of the questions you asked.....

    No, I am not using anything as an "excuse" to remain heavy. The idea I am going with is if a 400lb man is willing to push his body to the absolute breaking point then hopefully people will be interested in my story and help raise money/awareness. I really hope that if I can lose 50-100 or even more that i'd draw even more interest! Can you imagine if I lost 150lbs!?!? I'm sure that would snag me some sweet tv time
    Doubtful. As a fat person for my entire adult life I can assure you that no one (outside of your immediate family) cares when we lose weight, because "you were weak and stupid to have gained all that weight to begin with".

    Southern Tier is 3k and I was planning on doing six 15min rides a day. Aiming for 30miles a day. My basic plan as for pre-fitness is to ride 15 mins a day for a week, upping it to 45 mins the 2nd week and then the third week aim for the full six 15 min sessions. I plan on camping 5-6 days a week and staying at a hotel 1-2 days a week.
    Your speed estimates are... unrealistic. 6x15 = 1.5 hours. That's 20mph average, something that after 5000 miles of practice I'm nowhere near attaining. My absolute best is 17mph for 20 miles, and that leaves me beat for the entire next day (and it included a paceline; solo that goes down to 15mph). When I was your weight I could barely maintain 10-11mph for a single hour. On flat land. Any hill is going to murder you. You're looking at sub-10mph averages when hills are taken into account, leaving you, I'd say, 10-12 miles a day at 1.5 hours (over the entire trip).

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