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    what is a fred?

    i keep seeing this in the site what is it or who does it refer to?

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    They're like the Trekkies of the cycling world.
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    "Fred" is a perjoritive name for a rider on a bike cheaper than yours and dressed worse than you.

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    You can be a Fred or a Poser.

    This thread might answer it for you: Fred School
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    I read it as a descriptor of a typical utility cyclist, who might ride an old bike kitted out with numerous lights, mirrors, crate on the back etc, ridden by someone who just sees it as a mode of transport. It seems to be mainly a derogatory term used by the poser sunday cyclists who need to make themselves feel better when the 'fred' passes them.
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    My bike has fenders, front and rear blinky lights, a grocery rack, alloy pedals, a bell, kickstand, and a Brooks B17 saddle (not pictured, new addition). The trailer has 2 reflectors and 3 blinky lights in addition to the flag. Am I a Fred? I don't have a beard and I don't ride in sandals.

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    All I can say is that being fredly is awesome because it releases you from any pressure to adhere to arbitrary, trendy standards of appearance.

    After all, as the enlightened are fully aware, appearance is not essence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yo spiff View Post
    you can be either a fred or a poser.
    fify

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    Originally Posted by yo spiff

    you can be either a fred or a poser.
    fify
    Which begs the question: can you be a Fred AND a poser, someone who tries to look like a Fred but really isn't one? A Fred-poser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
    Which begs the question: can you be a Fred AND a poser, someone who tries to look like a Fred but really isn't one? A Fred-poser?
    Very good point. If we would explore that a bit maybe we can come a objective description. It seems as if name calling is more the perview of the insecure cyclist. Secure cyclist don't tend to use the term Fred or Poser when describing another rider. More than likely it is how you describe someone that puts you in the Fred Box or the Poser Box. In these forums it seems as if Freds know all about what a poser looks like and Posers know all about what a Fred is. The rest of us don't think about it much. Yes we have group divisions like Roadies, Commuters, utility cyclists, Cruisers and Mountain Bikers but people who are serious about cycling and belong to those groups don't often define someone else as a Fred or Poser.

    It seems as if the authority on Posers might be a Fred and the authority on Freds might be a poser.
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    I've described it before - but here goes again!

    FRED - Flashing Rear End Device

    Used on American railroads - mounted on the last (rear) car of a mainline train. Used to monitor air pressure in the brake line and will automatically slam on the brakes for the entire train if the air pressure is lost. When FRED senses a problem in the train ahead of it - it causes the entire train to come to a halt.

    So - in the bicycling world a FRED is the guy in the Peloton who can, by some weird action, cause the entire Peloton to come to a screeching halt

    Hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobile 155 View Post
    Very good point. If we would explore that a bit maybe we can come a objective description. It seems as if name calling is more the perview of the insecure cyclist. Secure cyclist don't tend to use the term Fred or Poser when describing another rider. More than likely it is how you describe someone that puts you in the Fred Box or the Poser Box. In these forums it seems as if Freds know all about what a poser looks like and Posers know all about what a Fred is. The rest of us don't think about it much. Yes we have group divisions like Roadies, Commuters, utility cyclists, Cruisers and Mountain Bikers but people who are serious about cycling and belong to those groups don't often define someone else as a Fred or Poser.

    It seems as if the authority on Posers might be a Fred and the authority on Freds might be a poser.
    That actually makes sense. Following along that line, the only person who would be an authority on a Fred-Poser (posing as a Fred) would have to be a Poser AND a Fred. The rest of us would be less than authoritative on one or the other.

    Any volunteers here to fill that roll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacomaSailor View Post
    I've described it before - but here goes again!

    FRED - Flashing Rear End Device

    Used on American railroads - mounted on the last (rear) car of a mainline train. Used to monitor air pressure in the brake line and will automatically slam on the brakes for the entire train if the air pressure is lost. When FRED senses a problem in the train ahead of it - it causes the entire train to come to a halt.

    So - in the bicycling world a FRED is the guy in the Peloton who can, by some weird action, cause the entire Peloton to come to a screeching halt

    Hope this helps
    Maybe his bike shorts were the wrong size, causing him to flash his rear end, the sight of which caused everyone to fall off their bikes
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    Quote Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
    That actually makes sense. Following along that line, the only person who would be an authority on a Fred-Poser (posing as a Fred) would have to be a Poser AND a Fred. The rest of us would be less than authoritative on one or the other.

    Any volunteers here to fill that roll?
    Now I think we are getting somewhere.
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    I'm not young but a couple of years ago I met a man that was definitely older than me.

    I can't remember how we started talking bikes but this guy tells me - I believed every word of it looking at at his wiry old body and deeply tanned face - that he gets up in the morning and gets on a beach cruiser style bike and will ride for hours and when he's tired find a telephone at a convenience store or wherever (no cell phone mind you) and call his wife to come pick him and the bike up. No plan, no bike clothes or shoes, no nothing. Just rides until he can't.

    This is a real Fred.

    I like Fred.

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    Hmmm, here I thought my name was Bill...but then I read this:

    A third use of the term exists. In this usage, a "Fred" is a cyclist who has a ton of cycling gear, especially of the utilitarian "uncool" kind, like mirrors, powerful lights, fenders, bells/horns, heavy leather seats, racks, reflective gear, bags, baskets, etc. The gear and bike may be put together by kludgey homemade solutions, like duct-taped flashlights to the handlebar.[1] This type of Fred is a bike geek who likes/needs lots of gear (even if it is modified stuff not intended for bikes). Sacrificing some, or ignoring completely, concerns of speed or traditional roadie/sport cyclist style, these type of Freds are more concerned with practical concerns like comfort, safety, versatility, maintenance, being able to quickly transition to time and culture on/off the bicycle, etc. These cyclists may be well aware of their fredness, once they are aware of the concept, and often embrace it wholeheartedly
    and then looked at the cockpit of my bike which looks like this:

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    and concluded that my name is Fred. I too like to head out without any special bike clothes except for a helmet and see where I wind up.

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    Just call me Fred then.. both my bikes fit the description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krobinson103 View Post
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    Just call me Fred then.. both my bikes fit the description.
    They sure do and they look really good. There's nothing like a well used and personalized bike!

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    They sure do and they look really good. There's nothing like a well used and personalized bike!
    Thanks. A lot of the systems are interchangable. I found a set of tires I liked so they got uses on both. The bmx pedals are the best compromise (for me) between clipless and flats. The lights are a bit different the commuter/kid carrier gets cheaper units while the mtb has 300 lumens up front for 4am rides every morning. Both got retrofitted with 48t front cranksets as I like having the extra speed if I choose to use it. The front bag on the mtb is for my smart phone and a battery booster that I made allowing 12 hours of gps/mp3 use. The bags have tools and spare tubes. The commuter has a monkey wrench and a few extra spanners on board as well as multitool so I can remove the wheels if need be. The basket is for my kid or stuff. It can carry all sorts of things.

    Having no car these are my only transportation so they need to fill their roles well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loneviking61 View Post
    Hmmm, here I thought my name was Bill...but then I read this:



    and then looked at the cockpit of my bike which looks like this:

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    and concluded that my name is Fred. I too like to head out without any special bike clothes except for a helmet and see where I wind up.
    It's good that you ride a bicycle. If the cops find out that you have the wrong name on your driver's license there could be trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    It's good that you ride a bicycle. If the cops find out that you have the wrong name on your driver's license there could be trouble.
    Ohhhh, you should see what I can do to a car....

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbacon View Post
    My bike has fenders, front and rear blinky lights, a grocery rack, alloy pedals, a bell, kickstand, and a Brooks B17 saddle (not pictured, new addition). The trailer has 2 reflectors and 3 blinky lights in addition to the flag. Am I a Fred? I don't have a beard and I don't ride in sandals.

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    You are still a high ranking Fred with that set up.

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