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    Best way to deal with aggressive dogs?

    On my favorite century route a VERY large and aggressive dog lives next to the road. It likes to chase passing bikes. Now yesterday I was minding my own business riding along and this $%$^ of an ugly mutt comes out onto the road and tries to chew my leg off. Obviously not wanting to be dog food I have no choice but to shift over. Sadly the owner of said property had all the frame supports for a large tent in a pile on the side of the road. Bar ends catch in the mess, bike goes down, I go over the bars (I was travelling at 30km/h at the time) and the dog... looks happy with itself and wanders off.

    I was coming up to a hill and slowing down so out running the thing wasn't an option. That and I'd just been pushing hard for the last 70 miles and a sprint up a hill with 30 miles to go surely wasn't a good idea. The bike suffered some minor damage - mostly controls being rearranged and the brake calipers pushed out of alignment on the front wheel disc brake. Easily fixed on the road with a multitool. I took some heavy bruising to my left side and some road rash (despite wearing full coverage clothes - weird). This morning my whole body is stiff and sore and not from the ride either. That fall was obviously harder than I thought.

    If I'd a weapon of any kind it would have been a DEAD dog for sure. The owners were either not there or didn't care because no one came out to see what was going on. Living in Korea I don't think there is any kind of dog control laws - pity because this is a dangerous dog. So, whats a good solution for getting rid of the thing short of just plain killing it? I'm pretty sure doing that would upset someone...

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    I wouldn't kill it, but a good kick in the gut should teach it a lesson.

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    Did it actually try to chew your foot off, or was it barking at your heels? Obviously if it stopped the chase when you fell, it wasn't seriously trying to attack you. Not to minimize things, I've been chased by dogs before. It's intimidating.

    Has anyone just tried dropping a tennis ball in front of it? I bet it would go for the ball before it realized what it was doing.
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    There's a certain kind of pepper spray for dogs that I know a lot of bikers use. Spray them once and you'll never have another problem with the same dog.

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    No it was pacing me at the side moving closer. Largest Doberman I've ever seen. I tried to stare it down or intimidate it and that didn't work. I think next time I put some good sized rocks in an easily reached pocket and see if he likes rocks to the head. Not even a large dog is going brush that off.

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    don't stare down dogs. it pisses them off.

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    I go slow and keep a high cadence . . at a high cadence the dog cant get a focus on your ankle . . . If this were an aggressive dog he would have attacked you while you were on the ground . . for the dog the fun is in the chase . . as stated above avoid eye contact . . From now on have a treat, a energy bar or empty wrapper, ready for the dog go slowly . . the urge to chase diminishes with the speed the slower you go the less fun for the dog . . I use a squirt from a water bottle first if it escalates then throw the water bottle . . . I have been bit while riding . . . by a Chihuahua I used a loud horn on occasional passes by the house and finally i gave up trying to ride that street

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    chihuahuas are probably the most consistently human biting breed according to a dog rescue owner i met last weekend. I figure if someone has to deal with that many dogs on a consistent basis then they probably know what they're talking about.

    Personally, if any chihuahua bit me I'd probably just squish it and keep riding.

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    The thing with dogs that chase is that if you reward them (by running, yelling, throwing a ball, etc.) you just reinforce the behavior. You need to extinguish the behavior by not giving them a positive or negative reaction to the chasing. If you know it's just a fun chaser you're better off just stopping and walking. Then, if you ever see it NOT chasing you, go give it a big jackpot of a reward. That sort of thing will straighten them out pretty quickly.

    If it's one that does bite though then all bets are off.. spray it, shoot it, or whatever else it takes to make sure you are safe. Personally, I think we should be allowed to be ruthless with dangerous dogs and remove the risk to ourselves and others instead of just using only as much force as is required for the current situation.

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    I just stop, and get off the bike. As many have said, for 99.9% of the dogs, it's all about the chase. Some dogs also get annoyed at wheels turning. Once you're off the bike, the dog loses interest, and may even become friendly.

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    NO EYE CONTACT, NO TALK

    Eye contact is a big no-no... you are directly confronting the animal and you are excalating the terms.

    Ignore the dog, be calm, raise your shoulders and your stance as you proceed, increase your silent, physcial assertiveness while on your bicycle and imagine yourself as the dog's superior, in complete control.

    Do not feed the excitement.
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    I have a neighbor who has a little yapper, a doofus about operant conditioning,
    they wont teach the dog to not bark, and chase wheels into the street , before one rolls over it.

    Inchon, ? bear spray ? Kalashnikov ? 10 round burst at their feet should turn them around.

    or less aggressive. ride with a friend that will also testify, in court,
    take pictures , maybe a little video, and then go find a lawyer..

    their house could become yours ..
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    You are in Korea? Then just let the general population know there is dinner running loose.
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    Tell the owner to @#$% off and keep his mutt in check.

    Honestly, just keep cycling and ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
    don't stare down dogs. it pisses them off.
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    NO EYE CONTACT, NO TALK

    Eye contact is a big no-no... you are directly confronting the animal and you are excalating the terms.

    Ignore the dog, be calm, raise your shoulders and your stance as you proceed, increase your silent, physcial assertiveness while on your bicycle and imagine yourself as the dog's superior, in complete control.

    Do not feed the excitement.
    Where do people get this stuff You don't stare down a gorilla or a bear but stare all you want at dogs. Glare at them. Stand up great big and act like you are the big cheese in the pack. Dogs have a very long history of being submissive to some human and all you have to do is convince them that they should be submissive to you. The only way to make them submissive is to convince them that you are worthy of being submissive to. If you avoid eye contact, back down, avoid confrontation, etc., you become the submissive.

    Stop your bike, stand your ground, be a threat, make the dog think you are the head of his pack or, at least, not something that is worth messing with. Dogs are cowards and will act as such when you remove the chase urge. About 50% of all dog encounters can be solved by yelling a very loud "NO!" at them while riding. About 99% of all dog encounters will end when you stop and yell "NO!" at them. For the 1% that don't stop, most of them are going to be taken care of by a swift smack in the nose with a bike wheel. They don't like getting that sensitive bit hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
    Where do people get this stuff You don't stare down a gorilla or a bear but stare all you want at dogs. Glare at them. Stand up great big and act like you are the big cheese in the pack. Dogs have a very long history of being submissive to some human and all you have to do is convince them that they should be submissive to you. The only way to make them submissive is to convince them that you are worthy of being submissive to. If you avoid eye contact, back down, avoid confrontation, etc., you become the submissive.

    Stop your bike, stand your ground, be a threat, make the dog think you are the head of his pack or, at least, not something that is worth messing with. Dogs are cowards and will act as such when you remove the chase urge. About 50% of all dog encounters can be solved by yelling a very loud "NO!" at them while riding. About 99% of all dog encounters will end when you stop and yell "NO!" at them. For the 1% that don't stop, most of them are going to be taken care of by a swift smack in the nose with a bike wheel. They don't like getting that sensitive bit hit.
    I have to pretty much agree with this... the loud NO has worked for me every time. Part of it is the loud sudden noise, which startles the dog, the other part is most domestic dogs are taught to respond to "no" early in their life. You might want to try "out" also. This has to be loud and sudden.... not just a whiney "nooooo..."

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    Halt spray. Enough said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiemonsta View Post
    Honestly, just keep cycling and ignore.
    While not as bad as the advice to be submissive, this is not the best course for most encounters either. The dog is just following his instincts and chasing prey. Continuing will only prolong that chase response and could result in being bitten. The "kill" does follow the chase after all. Often yelling "NO!" while slowing down will stop the chase but you should always be prepared to stop.
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    I carry a small squirt bottle filled with pure ammonia if I ride in a new area where the dog count is unknown to me.

    One squirt in the eyes or nose and doggie will stop and whimper in pain.
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    Stay just enough ahead of he dog to keep it chasing you. Keep it up for 10 or so miles. It will give up from exhaustion and most likely be lost. Major pain in the butt for the owner. bk

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    I do th get off and put the bike between the dog and myself thing if it seems insistant on agressiveness,but also usually have my .45 aimed right through his barking mouth just in case he IS that aggressive-I'm permitted to conceal carry though,I'd check my local laws first if I were you. I figure if they were to attack,I'll defend myself first,play the disabled veteran (which I am) card if needed in court later
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    ammonia can permanently damage both their eyes and nose. It's highly likely to illicit an owner response.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    I carry a small squirt bottle filled with pure ammonia if I ride in a new area where the dog count is unknown to me.

    One squirt in the eyes or nose and doggie will stop and whimper in pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
    You are in Korea? Then just let the general population know there is dinner running loose.
    A Doberman is not an eating dog.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    I carry a small squirt bottle filled with pure ammonia if I ride in a new area where the dog count is unknown to me.

    One squirt in the eyes or nose and doggie will stop and whimper in pain.
    Not sure if you're just trolling, but shooting it would be more humane compared to that bull****.
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    My son and I were on a ride when a dog charged out at him. He stood his ground....and then took 6 stitches in the leg. This particular breed is known to be very territorial, and it simply charged at my son, took a quick bite....and ran quickly back to its yard. I don't think stand your ground is good advice.

    Yelling loudly and throwing something is probably the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iconicflux View Post
    ammonia can permanently damage both their eyes and nose. It's highly likely to illicit an owner response.
    Is diluted ammonia safe? I've seen a suggestion on other forums to use half ammonia, half water.
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