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    What can I use on dogs?

    On my way to work in the morning, It seems like I am almost always chased by at least a couple of dogs, trying to bite me, I want to fend them off, but not injure them, any suggestions?

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    well this is what I do, I look them straight in the eye and in a stern voice I ask them what they are doing. Most look at me like I'm crazy and watch me go by. I have found in the past that yelling, stopping or throwing or spraying things at them only makes it worst.
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    Usually, you can outrun the kind of dogs that try to bite you.

    Otherwise, fill your water bottle with some strong ammonia water and give them a squirt when they attack. It doesn't do any permanent damage and it will discourage them from future aggression.
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    Has anyone considered holstering a Super Soaker on the handlebars?

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    I use HALT! Which is a pretty effective pepper spray. Or if you need something stonger and it is not illegal to carry it in your area, you can carry the same kind of pepper spray the police use. It is more potent then HALT! so it should work.

    I've been chased by dogs and have used the HALT! and it stops them in their tracks.

    A word of caution though. Do not spray it into the wind or it will be blown back into you and don't srpay it ahead of you or you will end up riding through the cloud. Also HALT! as well as other pepper spray products have a indelible die in them. Which means when you use it on a dog, will be turned into a coughing sneezing bright colored mess. This tends to piss off the owners of the dog regardless of the fact that his dog was in the wrong for being on a public road coming after you. So you may have to be prepared to use it on the owner if he or she confronts you and maybe gets violent with you.

    I actually had a owner chase me in his car after I sprayed his dog. He stopped got out and started yelling at me. So I stopped and pulled the canister of HALT! out and aimed it at him ready to use it on him. He decided to get back in his car and go home once her realized he was in the wrong for letting his dog chase people on the public street. I have yet to use it on a person, but it is very effective on dogs.

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    I had a rare experience with a dog this morning.
    I basically outran the dog.

    But I learned that a dog's bark can be worse than it's bite--much worse. This dog's barking distracted me from my riding and I drifted further out into the lane without realizing it. An alarmed motorist let me know with a loud honk.

    Although I support using any humane methods against dogs who chase, or for dogs who attack, any means necessary, to defend oneself, I think the first and best thing to do is sprint away. Using a "deterrent," like pepper spray or a frame pump, might cause the cyclist to have an accident in the process.
    No worries

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    I just hit them in the eyes with a stream of water from my bottle. Works every time.

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    Why are you so concerned about injuring them?

    ANY dog that bites me or attempts to bite me-----I'm kickin A-- and takin names. You have the right to self defence.

    Then law enforcement is called and the beasts' owner is facing a lawsuit.

    Yes--I'm a nice guy---but when it comes to my personal safety or that of my family----I get un-nice REAL fast.

    Who's to say what happens when your kid or somebody elses kid happens to be riding near this mutt?? I'm figuring its not going to be very good.
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    i can't believe you guys. amonia or pepper spray does no harm?
    if so then why should you worry about being caught in the back spray?
    and using it on an owner, you could get sued, no matter how you explain in court it was for your own self defense.. come on.

    spraying with water from your water bottle should do fine if you are close enough.. if you haven't been able to sprint away and were totally unaware of the dog "sneaking up" on you, then perhaps you would actually have to kick out at the dog as you yell..both actions should deter it enough for you to get away or get the owners attention.

    yes i have had experience with dogs chasing my bike.. yelling out and spraying with water have helped a lot, haven't had the dog be close enough to be bitten ..yet.

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    Originally posted by windchaser
    i can't believe you guys. amonia or pepper spray does no harm?
    if so then why should you worry about being caught in the back spray?
    and using it on an owner, you could get sued, no matter how you explain in court it was for your own self defense.. come on.

    spraying with water from your water bottle should do fine if you are close enough.. if you haven't been able to sprint away and were totally unaware of the dog "sneaking up" on you, then perhaps you would actually have to kick out at the dog as you yell..both actions should deter it enough for you to get away or get the owners attention.

    yes i have had experience with dogs chasing my bike.. yelling out and spraying with water have helped a lot, haven't had the dog be close enough to be bitten ..yet.
    First of all windchaser pepper spray will not do any permanent damage to the dog. Ammonia, probably would, that is why I don't use it. As far as being caught in the back spray or riding through the cloud, I have done that. It was after I sprayed the dog and the dog had run off. There was a residual cloud left over and I rode through it. I could not stop the bike fast enough to clear my eyes. And yes I know I could be sued even if I use it on someone in self defense. But that is a risk I am willing to take when it comes to my own personal safety. Oh and yelling at a dog has never worked for me. A lot of the times the owner is no where to be seen so it is impossible to get his or her attention.

    There was even one time I heard the owner say "get him!" Well once that happens the owner is using the dog as a weapon, which is illegal. I emptied half a canister on that dog. He has not chased anything to this day. This was the owner that chased me in his car after I sprayed the dog.

    As far as out running the dog, well that is the first thing I try. Sometimes it works sometimes it don't. Ever try to outrun something going uphill? Or better yet on a recumbent? Not very easy at times.

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    In 15 years of cycling my weapon was: my pump. A firm bang with the pump usually works quite good.

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    Originally posted by windchaser
    i can't believe you guys. amonia or pepper spray does no harm?
    if so then why should you worry about being caught in the back spray?
    and using it on an owner, you could get sued, no matter how you explain in court it was for your own self defense.. come on.

    spraying with water from your water bottle should do fine if you are close enough.. if you haven't been able to sprint away and were totally unaware of the dog "sneaking up" on you, then perhaps you would actually have to kick out at the dog as you yell..both actions should deter it enough for you to get away or get the owners attention.

    yes i have had experience with dogs chasing my bike.. yelling out and spraying with water have helped a lot, haven't had the dog be close enough to be bitten ..yet.
    "No harm" should be read as "no lasting harm". I'm an animal lover myself, but if a dog comes after me, I want to be fairly certain that I can stop it. Squirting water at the dog may work, but some sort of pepper spray will be much more effective. And if it is a choice between the dog getting teary-eyed and coughing, and me loosing a chunk of my leg, I'm going to spray the dog.

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    Use a slightly lower gear and use the dogs for sprint training.

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    I have owned and loved dogs all of my life. However getting knocked off a bike by one because I couldn't outsprint it is not an option I'm willing to accept. The fact is that dogs are genetically "hardwired" so to speak to chase moving objects and sometimes must be actively deterred..

    I was chased the other day for the first time in years. I outran him (a young pit bull mix by appearance) but next time he might have a better angle. I will defend myself even if it means actually harming the dog.

    Speaking as a large dog owner it is negligence on the owner's part to let the dog chase. I'm pretty sure my dog would be a chaser if afforded the opportunity therfore I see to it that he has no access to my front yard. It seems to be the least I can do though it appears to be outside the ability of many owners.

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    Originally posted by Crazy Cyclist
    I want to fend them off, but not injure them, any suggestions?
    1. Stop smelling so much like meat.

    2. Always ride with someone slower than you are.

    3. Carry a larger dog on your rear rack ready to be unleashed in an emergency.

    4. Turn around and start chasing them whilst barking as loud as you can.

    5. Point in some random direction and shout 'CAT'.

    6. Rear mounted Meaty Bites launcher.

    I don't have a lot of experience with dogs chasing me.
    If we learn from our mistakes, I must be a goddamn genius.

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    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!! Great suggestions!!!!!!!

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    I quit often take my doberman with me as I ride across my farm. That dog can pull away from me at 18 mph so I know there are dogs I can't out run, at least not for long. Amonia water in a squirt bottle won't hurt the dog - and may save his life if you prevent him from chasing. I told ya'll about the dog that bit my sneaker as I peddled up hill banging his head on the pavement - I had hoped he learned - nope he tried it with a truck. So I don't feel it's cruel to inflect a little pain to maybe teach the dog to not chase me or anything and maybe stay alive longer.
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    As some might know, I also had dog problems and still do. I’ve realized most of the dogs are just having a little fun and protecting their turf. I have found that yelling and in some cases acting like you are throwing something at them is enough. I read all the advice when I posted a similar thread and couldn’t bear to do anything to drastic. But I do agree a little pepper spray could teach a dog a valuable lesson. Although, I am a little nervous about riding down back country roads and harming someone’s beloved pet. Guns of all sorts are completely legal and acceptable in my state. Folks around here would love an opportunity to mess with a cyclist. But trust me I have pepper spray on me and would have no problems kicking a dog that was serious about biting my Achilles’ tendon.
    Plus, remember a dog can sense fear. The more afraid you act the worse he/she will act. I went riding with a girl who is deathly afraid of dogs and the little rascals went right for her. So stay calm.

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    The response to turning around and chasing the dog is funny but I have done it. I have a dog that chase's me at the end of my street just before a big hill so I can't out run him. Last time I was going up he came after me and pissed me off so much I hit the brakes, laid the bike down and took off after him. He tucked his tail and took off crying. Of course I am sure next time I go down there he will come after me again. So I will probably go after him again and he better hope I don't catch him.
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    Originally posted by gabiker
    So I will probably go after him again and he better hope I don't catch him.
    Just don't bite him, you might give him some human disease and he'd have to have shots!


    I changed my route home, by going one street over, just to avoid two dogs that were getting pesky. It's been peaceful ever since then, and I don't miss them at all.
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    Well I already had my rabies shots so if a dog is gonna bite me he damn well better be ready to get bitten back. I think many of your proposals are actually pretty useful. One issue is whether the incident occurs in a city/suburb or a rural area. If a dog is harassing you in the the city with its traffic, he is endangering YOUR LIFE, plain and simple. I don't think any court of law would disagree with pretty radical action on your part to rid yourself of the nuisance. In the country of course you can try and outrun them. Even if they do get close i haven't had any major incidents with dogs, though what would of happened if those bigdoggies that came out after me in Alaska had gotten to me, I can only speculate.

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    Oh if I ever catch one he doesn't need to worry about me biting him. I am an animal lover as well, but not when they are trying to hurt me. To be honest with you though I get more upset with the owners. I have spent a lot of money keeping my 2 Siberian Huskies fenced in for their own good not for everybody else's. It is to protect them from themselves.

    Most of the time dogs are doing whatever comes naturally to them and most of them are not vicious. If they are then you better try and out run them.
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    Well, I used to get chased pretty frequently.

    Solution 1: Outrun the dog. Few dogs can do 20 mph for long. My record speed for a dog was 27 mph - a black german shepard with big white teeth. I managed to hold him off. It was a lark for him, the next day I rode by and he went "woof" and wagged his tail and stayed in the yard.

    Solution 2: Wave a pump at them. This only works with a full sized frame pump which are not that popular anymore. I found that most dogs back off in the face of a pump. I have managed to hit only two dogs and those were both cocker spaniels.

    Solution 3: Squirt them with a water bottle. Like the pump, the water bottle works great. Dogs tend to back off from the jet of water. I tried this once with an empty bottle and the large dog was sizing up my calf as his next snack (option 1 was not available because of the hill). I threw the water bottle into the dog's face and the result was astonishing. The dog took off for home at what looked like the speed of sound.

    Solution 4: Since this is a recurrent thing, take down the addresses and description of the dogs. Call animal control. That is what they are there for. If they are halfway proactive, they will do something about it. Saying that you think the dogs could be a menace to other passersby wouldn't hurt also. And sending a letter to animal control for documentation would not hurt either. Of course, in some areas, animal control is ineffective.

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