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Old 01-29-05, 01:47 PM   #1
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my frigging knees hurt

Yesterday i was like the utility bike demigod. I worked for about seven hours messengering, then I went to a Critical Mass — where I was the "leader." But now my knees hurt like this annoying ache and the night before it was like a deep itching in my knees. It's like I pulled a muscle, except I know my knees don't have muscles. It's the bit on top of the knee cap when it joins with the thigh. So is this really bad? I know I can't get a diagnosis and prognosis over the net, but for those of you who've had this problem, what do you suggest?
Stay off my bike for a bit? That would be bad, because then I couldn't work and I'd be tethered to TheBus. Ibproufen (sp?)? Deep stretching?
I think my bike is properly adjusted, but I guess not. I'll take it into my LBS today to see.
Thanks presumptiously for all your help.
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Old 01-29-05, 02:10 PM   #2
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well when my knees hurt I found out that I was pushing too big a gear and needed to spin more. That almost alleviated my knee problems, the rest of the pain(very little pain actually, more creaking and crackling) the doctor attributed to growth and told me to take some supplements that lubricate the joints and supposedly help them heal.

The supplement was chondroitin+glucosamine with hyaluronic acid. I didn't need a prescription for the stuff, just picked up a bottle at Costco.
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Old 01-29-05, 03:25 PM   #3
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My knees get painful if I do not align my feet to point forwards (I was using platform pedals). I found that out after cycling with toe pointing outwards for a while... but I had to go on so I tried pulling back the toes in and boy, the agonizing pain turned into fantasized pain and I was able to go on a lot more longer.
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Old 01-29-05, 05:00 PM   #4
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"use glucosamin chondroiton and msm


your seat may be too high

the wind may have made your knees cold

your seat may be too low

your cadence shoulda been 90 rpm or above

maybe you just got wiener knees"

That's the greatest!
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Old 01-30-05, 05:10 PM   #5
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My mom used to always say (whinny mom voice here) " It's gonna rain, I can feel it in my bones". Did it rain yesterday in Honolulululu? see that may be it
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Old 01-30-05, 05:29 PM   #6
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Toes might also might not be positioned naturally on your pedals, check your clips if you ride em, or make sure you have enough float if you're clipless.
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Old 01-31-05, 02:02 PM   #7
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Because it's THE DAY, man. Everybody remembers THE DAY. You're old.

I remember my day. Aikido all night as usual, woke up the next morning and the usual joint microaches weren't gone. That was 4 years ago.

Fight it hard, but realize you're gonna lose.
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Old 01-31-05, 09:35 PM   #8
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There have been many discussions on various message boards regarding knee pain. Thought I would provide summary and what worked for me.

Being a member of the human race, a solution to all is difficult (e.g. one size does not fit all).

A little about me. I am 54 years old and own a recumbent trike, a Catrike Road.

I experienced knee pain with my DF, Weggie, as well with my new Catrike this year.

I spent exorbitant monies on a SRAM 81 speed and rotor cranks on my Catrike. Knee pain is still there, but much less.

Just bought knee savers for $46.00 and pain is again less. There are three sizes. I bought the 30mm (biggest size) only cause I am 6'4" tall and everything should be bigger to fit? They essentially move your foot/leg further away from the pedal. Details are at www.kneesaver.net/

Another less expensive solution is increasing your RPMs, cadence, higher number of revolutions. This is often called spinning at a higher rate. The easier exertion on the knee, the better. I use this process.

Those who ride with shoes with cleats profess if cleats are all the way to back of shoe, then knee pain is less. I did this also.

Buy good shoes and pedals.

Another inexpensive way is have a professional fit you to your bike. And, stretching prior to and after riding is an excellent way of reducing and preventing knee pain. Leg weight training; leg presses, extensions and hamstring work on the circuit machines can be very tough on knees. Plenty of stretching and some core exercise (without weights) should help the glutes and lower back, but you have to go slow and not overdo these either.

Doctor says is attributed to growth and told me to take some supplements that lubricate the joints and supposedly help them heal. The supplement was chondroitin+glucosamine with hyaluronic acid.

There are probably many ideas to solve knee pain as there are riders.

Recommend you start with the least expensive and move up from there.

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Old 02-01-05, 01:59 AM   #9
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It is not THE DAY. I'm 21. At least I hope it isn't THE DAY.
But I think I figured it out. I'm riding a hornless saddle (because I don't want THE DAY to show up on my wedding night), and when I get a nice slick bum, I tend to slid down and am forced to use my legs to counter balance. I think that's it. Plus I'm riding a bike a few centementers too small.
But here's the funny thing: higher cadances make my knees hurt a bit more.

Thanks all
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Old 02-01-05, 08:32 AM   #10
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My guess is that you simply overworked your knee on your "demigod" day, and experienced patellofemoral syndrom or "runner's knee". I did the same thing last summer during a week of very hard riding. I stayed off the bike for a few days and when I started riding again I took it pretty easy for a week or two. After that, I made a concious effort to keep my cadence a bit higher than usual, made sure to stretch out well before and after rides, and made sure that I was warmed up before I started pushing hard. I haven't had much trouble since then.

All that being said, do take a look at your saddle height, check that your pedals are adjusted correctly, etc. If your problem doesn't subside shortly, get your knee checked out by a doctor.
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Old 02-01-05, 11:51 AM   #11
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Sounds like a simple overwork injury to me, but...

Gently rub the skin over your patella. If it feels like you have small grains sand in there, you may have prepatellar bursitus. My Dr. wanted to inject cortisone, but I protested (some studies showed cortisone could weaken tendons). He subsituted an anti-inflammatory and it cleared up and never returned.

Except for road rash, the only cycling injury I ever sustained!

Also...simply drink more water. This has alleviated knee pain for a number of my cycling and backpacking friends.

Sometimes the simple "solution" is the best.

Hope your knee feels better soon!
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Old 02-01-05, 12:03 PM   #12
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Because it's THE DAY, man. Everybody remembers THE DAY. You're old.

I remember my day. Aikido all night as usual, woke up the next morning and the usual joint microaches weren't gone. That was 4 years ago.

Fight it hard, but realize you're gonna lose.
Haha, ain't that the truth. One day without warning the little aches stick around. I think the day got me, and I didn't even realize it until a year later, when those little aches were STILL there.

Then you make friends with the little achey-bastards. Say hi to them in the morning, and tuck them in at night.
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Old 02-04-05, 12:23 PM   #13
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SHORT CRANKS.
the folks at grreen speed have been experimenting wiht shorter cranks and discovered that they relive pain. I installed ‘Tandem East’s’ crank arm shorteners, (hostelshoppe.com) with holes that effectively shorten 170mm cranks to 146, 129,and 112mm, on my ez3 usx trike. The second setting creates a deficiency in the ‘swipe threw pull back’ factor. I could have saved a lot of money by drilling and tapping the cranks at 150mm.
I had some pain relief because my knees are not bent as much as when pushing threw the dead zone that pushes up the kneecaps, but still hurt my self by pushing too hard. It’s a bit harder to climb hills with because there is less leverage and uses slightly different muscle sets. It’s like cranking in a higher gear.
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