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Old 01-31-05, 07:12 PM   #1
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This kind of stinks, cars are a pain

Well its about that time where im going to be needing a car . Yes i know i can cycle over places but when you live in NH it is not always that easy. I dont want to though . I want to buy a road bike, but im afraid i might have to get a car, so do i save up to get a car or say screw it and go with the roadie? Cars seem to be a drag, insurance, gas, breakdowns. But then again when i think of it i spend a heck of a lot of cash on cycling as well.
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Well its about that time where im going to be needing a car . Yes i know i can cycle over places but when you live in NH it is not always that easy. I dont want to though . I want to buy a road bike, but im afraid i might have to get a car, so do i save up to get a car or say screw it and go with the roadie? Cars seem to be a drag, insurance, gas, breakdowns. But then again when i think of it i spend a heck of a lot of cash on cycling as well.
Does your girlfriend have a car? Hows about the parents? If you get at least 1 yes here I say go for the bike.
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Is NH New Hampshire? I don't know squat about cities in New Hampshire but if you're in one and near the center of it you may not need a car.

But if you absolutely must have one, be a local hero and get one of these.


It'd look sweet with a rack on top
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YOu know what your right! my girlfriends father is giving the car to her. Thats just too cool, so i can convince her to drive me places . My parents do but ugh its a pain convincing them to drive me around.
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well New hampshire (thats NH) does not really have cities...im in portsmouth area and thats not very urbanized, well it is and it isnt. but yea you need a car to get around places. though i generally ride, in winter it sucks
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Old 01-31-05, 11:36 PM   #6
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YOu know what your right! my girlfriends father is giving the car to her. Thats just too cool, so i can convince her to drive me places . My parents do but ugh its a pain convincing them to drive me around.
Bumming rides off other people isn't being car free. It's freeloading. I hope you're planning to pay your share of the gas, insurance, taxes, and maintenance.
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yea i do, infact i get a ride from a friend to school often and it costs 100 dollars per year for the parking sticker and i pay half
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But if you absolutely must have one, be a local hero and get one of these.
That's a cute little commuter. What's the name? I don't suppose they're available in the US...
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That's a cute little commuter. What's the name? I don't suppose they're available in the US...
Smart Car. they are popular in Europe. I saw two on the back of a flatbed truck on I-95 south of Baltimore about 6 months ago. They are adapting a model to the US (crash requirements). They are neat, but bikes are better.
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Smart Car. they are popular in Europe. I saw two on the back of a flatbed truck on I-95 south of Baltimore about 6 months ago. They are adapting a model to the US (crash requirements). They are neat, but bikes are better.
I don't know if I'd want to go the "Smart Car" route. If I had a car, it would be mid-sized because there are so many crazy SUV drivers out there, it survival of of strongest!
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Smart Car. they are popular in Europe. I saw two on the back of a flatbed truck on I-95 south of Baltimore about 6 months ago. They are adapting a model to the US (crash requirements). They are neat, but bikes are better.
Smart cars are a collaboration between Swatch (the watch maker), and Mercedes.
They offer the car in the picture in hard top and cabriolet they also offer a sport coup. All have plastic bodies.
They have a small engine just behind the seat and many customers have complained about engine noise/vibration. They are also very expensive for what you get ~24 K Euros which is about 29 K USD.
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They're already legal here in Canada and sold out with a waiting list.
You can get one starting at around 17kCAD except that you can't get one til there are more to be had.
We're getting one in a year or two and having it all done up in our company logo. The messenger company I work for already has 2 all slicked out with painted body panals. They're great for inner city.
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I'm in Toronto as well and have seen lots of them, even during the winter. If I couldn't get to where I need to get to by bike, thus needing a car, the Smart Car is the one I'd buy, except I'd go with the convertible. The panels are interchangable so when you don't like the colour, it's literally a snap to change it. It fits into half a parking space (wonder if I'd only have to pay half the cost? LOL) and they're great on gas. More than 2,000 sold out when they were introduced and they never spent a penny on advertising. 2 thousand more are on the way, with another two thousand hopefully being added to that to meet demand. Now, if we could just convince all the SUV drivers out there to get one.............

I hear they're not going to be available in the US until late next year, unfortunately

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Well, if gas continues to go up, which it hasn't of late Maybe at least the innercity SUV drivers could be convinced. The canadian version that's doing so well here is diesel and gets 70 Miles to the gallon (8.7 gallon tank)
From what i understand the US version will be gas and ge 60 miles to the gallon, still not bad though.
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Well i know theres some folks i know who wish to convert their vehicle to propane power, that would be interesting
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Smart cars ... are also very expensive for what you get ~24 K Euros which is about 29 K USD.
That makes them pretty uneconomical. Versus a $13K econocar, it would only save me $500/year in fuel costs, which means it would take 32 years to pay back the difference in purchase price? OK, let's say the price of gas doubled overnight, on the day I bought it. Then my payback period would be only 16 years. Nope, I don't see many being sold at that price.
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Please dear God, don't let the Smart Cars come here....Next thing you know Citroens will litter the streets...
Kidding aside, the Smart Cars were very trendy in France a couple years ago and commanded a premium because of it...and dare I say it, they are a good looking vehicle. I think they start at about 7000 GBP in the UK (~$13k US). Saw one several years ago on I-80 between SF and Sac, shocked the sheet out of me, kinda funny next to a Suburban too!
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They are also very expensive for what you get ~24 K Euros which is about 29 K USD.
Blazing the only ones that cost this much are the roadsters and they look pretty sweet. The standard "fortwo" smartcar starts at $15,000US or $17,500Canuck although if you go nuts on the options you can jack it up to 20Gs. Some of the options are custom painted body panals and a trailer in case you need to haul something. I think the trailer is fairly expensive.
They did cost more when they came out same as any car:

I heard a story that at the opening ceremony some official or company man walked up to this display, stuck a credit card in a slot and a smartcar and a reciept popped out. just for the ceremony, but that would be sweet, a vending machine for cars.
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Even 15K is a lot of scratch for something that small. I don't know how well they'll do. How much is a Cooper? They're close to 15K, right? Either way, It'd be a great day to see a lot of efficient vehicles on the road.
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coopers are huge next to a smartcar, the new minis aren't really that mini and get only decent mileage, many japanese compacts get much better mileage than the cooper. I think the "I can't really show this off model" starts around $17.5US
Smartcars rule! (if you need a car)
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They're sweet alright. What'd be awesome if they could make something like that with 4wd for dragging your bike and camping gear out of town on the weekends. All I need is room for the GF, the dog, the gear and my bike. And maybe a guitar. That's what I really need. My town car is my bike/messenger bag.
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They're sweet alright. What'd be awesome if they could make something like that with 4wd for dragging your bike and camping gear out of town on the weekends. All I need is room for the GF, the dog, the gear and my bike. And maybe a guitar. That's what I really need. My town car is my bike/messenger bag.
You need something bigger than a Smart Car.

As for the Citroens, I'd take a C-4 if they sold them here.
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There is a matching trailer available for the smartcar, and a roofrack with bike acesories. a smartcar with a bike on top would look great, bout the same wheelbase.

But in typical fashion it's unlikely americans will benefit from the lowest mileage, congestion minded thing around. The first thing Smartcar plans to release in the States is an SUV. It's probably fuel efficient compared to others, sure sure, but Germans aren't small people, I know that all but the fattest Americans could fit could fit into the Smartcar if they tried.

But the business minded know that they won't buy what they fear, that they fear change, that the smartcar is definately change. So they're going to try to soften up (hehe aren't they soft enough?) americans by introducing the largest option (formore) first, then the 4door version of the smartcar (forfour), then the actual smartcar (fortwo) and the roadster.

So the people who don't want to be part of the problem whether by fear or laziness should look to some other compacts, incomparable though they are to the Smart
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Hey let me just tell you hold out as long as you can. Taking the bus is SO much cheaper, and riding is cheaper yet. I'm 22 and I estimate than nearly 50% of my income goes to insurance, maintenance, repairs, and gas for my truck, and its pretty old and slow so insurance isn't that high. Right now, its broken down, needs about $600 in PARTS alone, and I'm bussing/riding it, in MI, in the winter. I can't believe how much money I have saved... I'm living off of about $10/wk instead of $50.

My vote for practical small car goes to Scion... pick what options you want, don't get the ones you don't want, no haggle, xB is very practical and roomy, good gas mileage, Toyota quality and $14,900 w/ a CD player and AC.
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I've seen some of those Scions, they are pretty neato. If I end up settling in the states and needed a car I'd pick one of those just for the cool lil boxy shape. I'm too lazy to check on the paticulars, do they get good mileage?
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