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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    I also think there should be a wide reflective and hi-vis band all the way around the wrists on jackets, jerseys, etc.. Where the hands are is often the widest part of the bicycle. As you can see from your photos, the rider with the hi-vis arm warmers has much more visible arms than the other rider, which could give drivers a better idea of how wide the cyclist is.
    Yes, and might as well throw some Tacx Lumos bar end lights on there, too, for some active rearward and forward width marking.

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    Nothing beats awareness, but would it be less safe if the the flat bar is much wider than the drop bar, especially in tight traffic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeloader View Post
    Nothing beats awareness, but would it be less safe if the the flat bar is much wider than the drop bar, especially in tight traffic?
    I'd think only if you're trying to squeeze into tight places and particularly inept at judging width. Another way to look at that would be to say the wider bar prevents you from trying to squeeze into tight spaces which leave no room for maneuvering.

    In all seriousness though, no, I don't think a wider bar is less safe than a narrower bar, drop or otherwise, in tight traffic. That said, I don't dice it up in big city traffic, but I'd think if you're playing the daredevil messenger role, the greater risk is from your unexpected (by drivers) presence rather than bar/car contact.

    To wit, I don't think any width of bar would have saved this dimwit:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
    I'd think only if you're trying to squeeze into tight places and particularly inept at judging width. Another way to look at that would be to say the wider bar prevents you from trying to squeeze into tight spaces which leave no room for maneuvering.

    In all seriousness though, no, I don't think a wider bar is less safe than a narrower bar, drop or otherwise, in tight traffic. That said, I don't dice it up in big city traffic, but I'd think if you're playing the daredevil messenger role, the greater risk is from your unexpected (by drivers) presence rather than bar/car contact.

    To wit, I don't think any width of bar would have saved this dimwit:

    i have done some foolish things when cycling, but i guess there's no limit to stupidity and recklessness...

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    From my expeirience commuting nothing beets the new yellow flourecent jerseys, vests and anything with a hint of it say shoes or straps. The reason is it automatically screams "caution I am here" with drivers or anybody approching you. With any other bright jersey no matter what color or design people around don't get the hint and just think your trying to be cool or hip with little reguard to your surroundings. The information comes from asking the community when I am at meetings with the city or county or in my part time sales job. It generally asking people who don't ride what they think is going to give you the best answaers aside from the stay off the rod comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    Where did you get the neon arm warmers?

    http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/R...hi-vis-sleeves

    You can get all kinds of other hi-vis stuff there too. I don't have these arm warmers, but may be tempted to pick some up. I tend to go with long-sleeved hi-vis jersey or jacket at night

    I have both the pink and the yellow ...
    http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/R...cycling-jersey

    Plus a short sleeved jersey, plus a couple jackets, and a vest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoemakerpom View Post
    From my expeirience commuting nothing beets the new yellow flourecent jerseys, vests and anything with a hint of it say shoes or straps. The reason is it automatically screams "caution I am here" with drivers or anybody approching you.
    I took this photo on a grey and rainy day in Plymouth, UK when I was attempting to get some scenery shots ...



    There are 4 cyclists in the photo, and you can see them all, but the ones in the hi-vis really stand out.

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    If your paying attention to what's around you,you won't have time to be worried.

    If there's nothing to pay attention too,then you won't get hit.

    What you wear has no bearing on what the driver is doing,if they are not paying attention to driving,they will run you down,high vis clothing or not.

    You have to pay attention and get the out of the way if possible,or your just going to get run over.Right or wrong,we lose.

    As a bicycle rider,you must have some faith in mankind,most people really don't want to run you down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    I took this photo on a grey and rainy day in Plymouth, UK when I was attempting to get some scenery shots ...



    There are 4 cyclists in the photo, and you can see them all, but the ones in the hi-vis really stand out.
    Damn fine example of the point.
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