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Old 02-10-05, 11:12 AM   #1
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Okay, this doesn't make any sense - can someone help me out

I posted a bike for sale on Craig's List in Austin. It's a Trek 930 MTB from the mid 90's.

Then I get this today:


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I am intrested in buying your WTS Trek 930 mountain bike for shipment
to London, tell me your last selling price, the present condition, why
you are selling it and payment will be via certified check or bank
transfer so get back to me as soon as posible with the pics and let me make
arranegement for the payment.
Thanks,

The shipping alone would be more than what the bike is worth. Any comments?
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Old 02-10-05, 11:22 AM   #2
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I would guess it's a scam. Reply to him, and my guess is that the game will be revealed.
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Old 02-10-05, 11:23 AM   #3
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The e-mail you got is "step one" of a very long and complicated scam that has been discoved in "Foo" recently, generically referred to as the "Nigerian" scam, as that is where the scam is alleged to have been invented and perfected.

There are variations of the scam, but what they have in common is that the scammer does NOT want your bike.

He wants and NEEDS you to begin communicating with him. He wants your e-mail address, your street address, the name of your bank, your bank account number, your credit card number. Stuff he can use to get a credit card in YOUR name, or print up his own personal checks in YOUR name.

And, at some point, he would like to mail you a check from a bank in Texas that is for $2,000 MORE than he owes you. He would like you to then forward the extra $2,000, using YOUR check or YOUR money order to a person to whom he owes those funds. You can guess how "good" the check from Texas actually is.

Because "e-mail" is free, an e-mail scammer can mail out 500 e-mails to find just one sucker, and still make a pretty good living. To the best of my knowledge, not ONE of these scams has ever resulted in a scammer doing jail time.

Don't bother reporting the scam to the FBI. Those letters now refer to an agency that is "Famous, But, Incompetent".

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Old 02-10-05, 11:44 AM   #4
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thats sad
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Old 02-10-05, 12:55 PM   #5
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Give him all the requested info, then et him know that he pays actual shipping cost and that you'll only accept a certified check (or some other such guaranteed payment). If he's still willing to do the transaction, you've sold your bike. If he insists on the methods other people have outlined (requesting bank account #, check from Texas, etc) then yeah, it's a scam and you can ignore it. I think it's worth it to at least follow up, since it only takes a few minutes and his email isn't in the standard form of a Nigerian Scam (Hello Sir! I wanting for to buy your bike to for me pleas sir!!!!)
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Old 02-10-05, 01:16 PM   #6
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It's a scam. Here's how it works.

You will be sent a foreign bank check for more than you're supposed to get. You are
supposed to deposit it and wait for it to clear. Since it looks legit your bank will
credit your account for the amount before the check clears. You will think you have
the money in hand but you don't. Then you transfer the difference through some
untraceable, non-reversible method, probably Western Union. In another few days
your bank will discover that the check is no good and zap it out of your account.

In my opinion, the problem lies with the bank's policy of crediting your account
before the check actually clears. I believe what people should do is to deposit the
bad check, then withdraw the amount as cash. Then the bank will be left holding
the bag. You'll have to return the money, naturally, but if enough people do this then
maybe they would think about changing their policies.
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. . .I believe what people should do is to deposit the
bad check, then withdraw the amount as cash. Then the bank will be left holding
the bag. You'll have to return the money, naturally, but if enough people do this then
maybe they would think about changing their policies.
If you did this and you're lucky, your bank would come after you with a collection agency. If you're unlucky, the bank will report you to law enforcement as a thief. You may be able to beat the charge. You may not. You want to take that chance?
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I switched banks some time ago. My new bank does not credit my account with the deposited check amount immediately. I used to think this would be an inconvenience, but on more than occasion I have recieved "hot" checks that I am glad were never credited to my account. It amazes me how reasonable people can fall for these scams. At the very least, a simple phone call to your bank after the check has been deposited/credited will conform its validity... C'mon people, wake up and smell the caffiene!
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I strung one of these clowns out on EBay the other month. Had him promising me delivery of a Trek Madone Limited Edition Sheryl Crow model, you know the 34 cc frame size ones. He was also gonna swap the tires out for some knobbies and make sure that I got a bell on it.

We went back and forth for a couple weeks, I feed him tons of incomplete info. I told him in the end I was getting cold feet and he pressed on, promising free shipping and all sort of goodies.

I sorta lost interest after awhile, I should check that alias account and see what he's up to.
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Old 02-10-05, 02:20 PM   #10
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I just got this email from the guy again. What do you make of it.


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Hello,
Thanks for your mail,well i will be taking by your words regards the condition of the WTS Trek 930 mountain bike that is ok Because i would not be able to come and see it unless you send me more pics due to the fact i'm in London but i will be handling the shipping myself becuase i've seen a shipping company here in London of which i am ok with their price, but its my client that will send you payment via certified Cheque drawn from US bank and i would like the price to be abeat conderate.So i would like to pay you $300 so kindly forward me your full name, contact address,and contact phone number if you are ok with my offer so that the payment can be send to you.
Thanks.
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Old 02-10-05, 03:55 PM   #11
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His English sucks. Makes me think he isn't English. Of course, he doesn't actually say he's English, does he? You should respond that you are not interested in selling or shipping overseas and you only accept PayPal.
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Please don't send your bike. Send a copy of Bicycling magazine, and that will show him.

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Tell him this:

"What a coincidence! I'll be flying to London on business next Tuesday. Give me your address, and I'll drop it off! Maybe we can go for a ride around Picadilly together! Huzzah! Jolly good, what?"

Insist on it. Remain firm on your offer. Unrelenting. He'll fade like pair of jeans.
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