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    The Red Lantern Rev.Chuck's Avatar
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    I often get as much as fifteen minutes notice
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    My bike is my transportation as well, I happen to only have one bike as well. I do pretty much everything myself. I personally can't afford a second bike quite yet. Once I finish off my current ride (which I must say I am very very close, just have to build up my new wheels throw on my new cranks and chainring and get a new front brake and I'm done! wooo) I'll put some money into a secondary bike, or primary bike, we'll see. Actually I think I'll build up that aluminum GT track frame Velo Pasadena has hanging up.

    Anyway my point is I've been one of those MUST RIDE people but that's usualyl because my LBS has been making me wait for WAY too long. For instance they happened to have misplaced my hubs that I left there for them to build up a while back. So now I can't order spokes because I don't have my hub measurements, I'm tempted to walk in with my rims and demand they be done by Friday. Its hard to wait when you've dropped several hundred dollars into something you want it NOW! I really don't want to wait another week before I get to ride on my new wheels.
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    See, you are not a real "Gotta Ride" guy or you would have stood there and whined and badgered until they built your wheels for you on the spot (I have actually done this, xt disk hub on a Mavic tubeless disc rim) In a case like yours, it would take maybe two days to get the wheels back. I usually take them home to build in peace anyway, so maybe next day.
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    I think a lot of us feel for you, reverend... I don't understand how someone who loves to ride, who's "just got to ride" can only have one bike. And like others say, a backup bike doesn't have to be pretty or expensive. Quality 'vintage' bikes are usually under a hundred bucks everywhere you look.

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    can someone tell me where I would find info for police auctions? I might hit one up. I live in knoxville, TN
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    If I bring my one and only MTB into the shop (I've already invested upwards of $5k in the thing so I'm not sure my wife will allow me to have another one any time soon) I always assume it's going to take a couple of days to get something done so I mount the roadie when I "Just gotta ride." Now, there have been cases (twice in the 5+ years that I've been riding) where the shop just took an exorbitantly long time to fix my bike. While I was understanding I was also upset and did use the "I'm a loyal customer, blah, blah, blah..." line but, in my defense, it was wholly appropriate since A) I've purchase every one of my bikes from this local chain, B) I'm on a first name basis with most of the guys from the shop closest to my house and C) I proabably spend 75% of my cycling dollars at this one local chain so I think I'm wholly justified in tossing that line out there when the situation demands it.
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    It seems that these people live here too, Rev. Chuck. One of the nearby towns has a huge 4th of July parade. All the cyclists go down a bike path past my friends bike shop. Literally 20 feet away. Every customer gets a very nice patient explanation that in the winter there is not much work. So bring your bike in the winter and you can have it back very quickly. Of course you know what I'm going to say.

    They all drag the old bikes out of the basement that have not been touched for a year and show up the Afternoon of the 3rd of July. The line sometimes literally goes out the door. I just help out once in a while, so I can escape the stress anytime. I do understand exactly how you feel though. This seems to happen on Saturday in the summer too.

    You have to be one of the most patient people on the planet earth to deal with this all the time. I hope some people start to learn. I hope you have a good way to keep your stress level down.
    Good luck with those "I have to ride" people Rev. Chuck.

    I wonder if they really have to ride or just don't know how to wait their turn?

    I also seriously wonder if the endorphin addiction is driving this sometimes? Not kidding.

    Gotta Ride = Gotta have endorphins , that may explain addictive behavior, or not being able to live without my bike. Or having 2manybikes.....oops...!

    Maybe you can convince someone to start a bike rental across the street?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PWRDbyTRD
    On another note...if you have ANOTHER bike...quit your sissy whining...your favorite one will be back in a few days, and if it's THAT important, you have 2...sell the 2nd one and get a duplicate stupid ppl I swear *mutters*


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    That would be me, only one bike, I guess I never taught about getting another as in having two, I always taught that if I got another it would be to replace my current one. I think another reason for me has been that I like the feel of my bike very well and it would take time to get adjusted to another, but I see what you guys are saying, and if I had the money I would get another one now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manybikes
    One of the nearby towns has a huge 4th of July parade...They all drag the old bikes out of the basement that have not been touched for a year and show up the Afternoon of the 3rd of July. The line sometimes literally goes out the door.
    In Portland, the biggest annual bike event is 'Bridge Pedal'. They close eight bridges, including two freeway bridges, once a year for this ride; the event draws 15,000+ cyclists.

    Two years ago I volunteered as an on-ride mechanic, to fix flats, etc. during the ride. You would not believe the condition of many of the bikes I ended up working on. My guess was that they hadn't been ridden since the previous year's event. People showed up with bikes with flat tires, completely rusted chains, seats and derailleurs so far out of adjustment that their bike was practically unrideable...I was dumbfounded.

    You don't have to be a rocket scientist or have deep mechanical aptitude skills to perform basic maintenance on a modern bike like keeping air in the tires and the chain lubed, but most of these folks seemed completely helpless....

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya
    In Portland, the biggest annual bike event is 'Bridge Pedal'. They close eight bridges, including two freeway bridges, once a year for this ride; the event draws 15,000+ cyclists.

    Two years ago I volunteered as an on-ride mechanic, to fix flats, etc. during the ride. You would not believe the condition of many of the bikes I ended up working on. My guess was that they hadn't been ridden since the previous year's event. People showed up with bikes with flat tires, completely rusted chains, seats and derailleurs so far out of adjustment that their bike was practically unrideable...I was dumbfounded.

    You don't have to be a rocket scientist or have deep mechanical aptitude skills to perform basic maintenance on a modern bike like keeping air in the tires and the chain lubed, but most of these folks seemed completely helpless....
    I know what you mean! Been there! Many rides like that give away tubes etc. to riders. Some people come to the ride unprepared, knowing full well that they will get free parts and service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya
    In Portland, the biggest annual bike event is 'Bridge Pedal'. They close eight bridges, including two freeway bridges, once a year for this ride; the event draws 15,000+ cyclists.

    Two years ago I volunteered as an on-ride mechanic, to fix flats, etc. during the ride. You would not believe the condition of many of the bikes I ended up working on. My guess was that they hadn't been ridden since the previous year's event. People showed up with bikes with flat tires, completely rusted chains, seats and derailleurs so far out of adjustment that their bike was practically unrideable...I was dumbfounded.

    You don't have to be a rocket scientist or have deep mechanical aptitude skills to perform basic maintenance on a modern bike like keeping air in the tires and the chain lubed, but most of these folks seemed completely helpless....
    I did the same thing at the "Bike New York" even in New York City. It amazes me the type of junkers people bring just to be a participant in the event. They don't care if the bike is unsafe or poorly maintained.

    I happen to think there are LOADS of used bikes out there selling for less than $100.00 UDS. Ebay is loaded with used bikes so there really is no excuse to not have one. What's costly is the maintenance of the second bike but then again, it doesn't have to be in tip top condition.

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    at my shop, if we run into one of those "JUST GOTTA RIDE!!!!!" folks and if we need to order a part for them, we'll give them a used bike as a loaner. we also rent our used bikes.

    if it's not too busy, we'll usually just ask them if they want to wait for it. most folks are understanding and they'll let us get to it when we get to it. i get more annoyed at the flat fixes that interrupt the repair on the fancy bikes than anything else...and the people who walk in and have no clue what's wrong with their bike, so i spend 15 minutes trying to figure it out, another 15 minutes explaining why they need to have it fixed, only to have them say "IT COSTS HOW MUCH!?!?! WHY!??" and walk out. or the people who come in sans bike and say things like "how much for a brake job?" and then go on to explain that the thing that attaches to the other thing is missing and they need brake pads...they usually point at the part on another bike, so i give them a rough estimate and when they bring the bike in it's something completely different, and winds up taking longer than expected because A) the bike is so dirty i can't even SEE the bolts, and B) the springs in their cantilever brakes are shot and i have to sift through the bin to find the exact springs, or the "thing" that was missing turns out to be the cable anchor bolt, which just so happens to also be missing from all 50 pairs of used cantis in our used cantis bin...same goes for all the road calipers in our used road calipers bin...or they're missing the top plate from their SST Oryg (how this person got it separated in the first place is beyond me).

    then there's the guy who wants a refund for the lock he bought because he can't figure out how to get it out of the bracket without hurting himself.

    ARRRGH! thanks chuck, for opening this can of worms for me....

    but honestly, for every idiot, pain in the ass customer, there are at least .3 customers who are a true joy to help and chat with...and those are the customers who make it all worth it.

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    Uh I hope the guy I talk to at the local LBS isn't secretly thinking that about me when I walk in with a whackload of newb questions.

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    there's a difference between newbies and the terminally stupid. newbies generally pay attention when you're explaining something, or show some interest in gaining knowledge, and applying it in the future.

    one more "terminally stupid" incident from today. guy has really nice italian road bike with old, old campy record on it, and a grand sport rear derailleur, even. OLD stuff, CLASSIC stuff. guy reads on internet about how he should put motor oil into his hubs, instead of actual bike grease. guy then wonders why, after a week of riding, his hubs now feel "rough", and his forks/seatstays, hubs and spokes are now covered in 2mm of dirt and crap...then refuses to acknowledge that he was wrong, and insists that it's his bike, so it's his decision...he wound up "letting us" clean, overhaul, and repack his hubs for $40 + parts. and after having to do all the work, i honestly would've charged him $60, because i flushed those hubs with degreaser 3 times and they were still oozing crap.

    those are the customers who i dislike. the willfully stupid.

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    Newbies also get bonus points for being up front and saying they are newbies, just as you did. It gets everyone off on the right foot. It helps everyone see the other persons point of view. Better and easier communications.

    The good customer is the rule. Every rule has an exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTinSloth
    ...guy reads on internet about how he should put motor oil into his hubs, instead of actual bike grease.
    Didn't I see this in the mechanics forum a while back???

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    I currently have 2 bikes but one is a Wal-Mart beater. Still, I do ride it when; the Lemond is in the shop, the weather is just nasty, I want to ride somewhere I need to leave the bike out of sight, or when I go camping. As I do some upgrades on the Lemond I figure I'll take the pieces I pull off and build another B bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan
    Maybe LBSs should consider "courtesy bikes". Car dealerships do it for when customers have their vehicles serviced. Just a thought, and probably fraught with all sorts of impracticalities.
    that's not cheap, you know. There's cost in that idea. To be charged to YOU the customer. It's cheaper to be patient to wait until your bike is done. Do some walking meantime. Or borrow a bike from someone, if no backup from Yourself. if no car/motorcycle.

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    about OneTinSloth in Berkely: that's nothing new; I've seen that many times down here in soCal. They enjoy wasting the time. Those bike owners want to ask what the problems with their bikes are via using up all the possible time that they can get. ALL THE FREE ADVICE THAT BE POSSIBLE. SO THAT THEY BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT: (a) themselves (b) in their own way. By having the problem verified by the first source; then that bike owner knows the xact problem --- before bringing it to his favorite mechanic/dealer.

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    they could offer it @ a charge....
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