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    train heavy, compete light

    I ride a LHT and spend most my riding time traveling up and down the local hilly back roads with their 3 to 500 ft elevation gains over 1 to 11/2 miles. I travel partial loaded with day trip stuff which probably adds up to 10-15 lbs and spin 13-14 mph 20 to 50 miles 3-4 times a week. I'm a 5'10 187# geezer.

    I'm getting a bit fitter now and want to try a few different types of timed events this year. In preparation, I would rather just Fartlek on the Surly :-) then go on serious specific training rides on a sport bike.

    This is a valid enough way to train, yes?

    Secondly, my thinking is since I won't be on it much, good stiff bike that can take my weight and climb would be a good choice....the heck with the comfort.

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    I train with a 10lb weighted vest and always on my heavier all weather/training bike. I have a pretty light race bike (2008 Scott addict), that also has 60mm aero wheels. I never ride it except for leg openers the night before a race and the races themselves. I find that training heavy and racing light works well for me. It's like a baseball player warming up and swinging three bats and then just using one when stepping up to bat. Makes for a feeling of weightlessness and good arm speed.

    All said and done, my race rig weighs 3.5 lbs less than my training bike and without the 10lb vest on, the weight difference going to the lighter bike feels great and going fast feels effortless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lenA View Post
    Secondly, my thinking is since I won't be on it much, good stiff bike that can take my weight and climb would be a good choice....the heck with the comfort.
    Depends on what kind of timed events you plan to ride. Some timed events out here are 100- 112 miles with 10,000- 12,000 ft of elevation gain.

    Trying to do one of these timed events on an uncomfy machine would end in disaster. Half way through you'd more than likley fall prey to back cramps or similar

    If you're talking about a 5 mile TT, then go for it but you may lose time due to lack of efficiency.

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    yep, shorter TT and at least a metric century

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number400 View Post
    I train with a 10lb weighted vest and always on my heavier all weather/training bike. I have a pretty light race bike (2008 Scott addict), that also has 60mm aero wheels. I never ride it except for leg openers the night before a race and the races themselves. I find that training heavy and racing light works well for me. It's like a baseball player warming up and swinging three bats and then just using one when stepping up to bat. Makes for a feeling of weightlessness and good arm speed.

    All said and done, my race rig weighs 3.5 lbs less than my training bike and without the 10lb vest on, the weight difference going to the lighter bike feels great and going fast feels effortless.
    Ummmmm seriously ? Why ?
    Makes no difference for cycling .... well maybe in your head. Your legs are putting out "X" watts, regardless of total weight. The weight difference affects your speed, but does not make your legs stronger.
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    The weighted vest is for hill repeats. Nine, 7 minute hill repeats to build muscle while on the bike. Works for me.
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    Or you can just shift gears.

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    Well yes, just shift gears.

    As an opinion, whether you train heavy, use a higher gear, or just seek out hills, you are going to have to keep your cadence up. If extra weight caused the rpm to drop, you are basically training to pedal slowly. Counterproductive.
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    I once wondered (hypothetically) if there was any point in actually training on a time-trial bike and one of my more experienced friends said, yes, because of the different position, you used a little different set of muscles, so if you were going to compete on one, you needed to train on it, too.
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    "be careful this rando stuff is addictive and dan's the 'pusher'."

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    Some weeks I find myself hauling my trailer a lot near capasity & really giving the legs a work out. Then....all the heavy work is done & its just me & the bike. Suddenly I find my self zipping along at top or near top gear! I find myself trying to shift to the next highest gear......but I'm maxed out!

    If I keep on like this I might have to buy a new bike. I'm starting to out grow my 7speed. Its time for a 24speed roadie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOTAL CONTROL View Post
    If I keep on like this I might have to buy a new bike. I'm starting to out grow my 7speed. Its time for a 24speed roadie.
    You talk about being maxed out in high gear on a 7 speed roadie. What exactly is the max high gear on a 24 speed roadie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    You talk about being maxed out in high gear on a 7 speed roadie. What exactly is the max high gear on a 24 speed roadie?
    Made me think for a minute.
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    Same as a 7 speed roadie, most likely. Still, it's time to graduate to a 24 speed, if you can find one.
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    I have race wheels and training/commuting wheels, which are significantly heavier, but if I'm training to race I want to be on my race bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOTAL CONTROL View Post
    Its time for a 24speed roadie.
    You'll need more than 24 gears to handle your astonishing wattage. You should aim for 34 or even 35 to avoid maxing out.
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    Less stress on the knees in the long run. Maybe even less stress on all parts of the body. Go light as possible. Keep the weight training in the gym.

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    Its time for a 24speed roadie.
    A better bike may have a slightly higher max ratio than a 7 speed. Depends on the bike. I do think you would find the closer ratios to be an immense help on the climbs when it comes to keeping a good cadence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krobinson103 View Post
    A better bike may have a slightly higher max ratio than a 7 speed. Depends on the bike. I do think you would find the closer ratios to be an immense help on the climbs when it comes to keeping a good cadence.
    The only Seven speed I have seen lately is the Origen 8. I think it is a 48 in front and 14-34 in the back. Don't know if that is what he was riding or not. Still most 8 speed triples, 24 speeds, are at least 48 or 50 or 52 in the front and 12-25 in the back. A lot more selection at least. There would be more choices I think with
    a triple with 8 cogs in the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    You talk about being maxed out in high gear on a 7 speed roadie. What exactly is the max high gear on a 24 speed roadie?
    Ummm, *leans in and speaks into the mic*....the 24th. If your still confused then compare the same cadence while on a 7 speed (sorry but my crank size escapes me at the moment), to that of a 24 speed which comes with a larger crank..

    Plus the bike weighs like 70lbs & can't seem to go past 30mph on a flat with no tail wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOTAL CONTROL View Post
    Ummm, *leans in and speaks into the mic*....the 24th.
    Ummm OK.


    Quote Originally Posted by TOTAL CONTROL View Post
    If your still confused then compare the same cadence while on a 7 speed
    Ummm OK! I'm confused?

    Here is a question for you. My wife's 88 Bianchi is a 7 speed, the white Madone is a 27 speed. The Blue Trek Pilot is a 30 speed. Which one would "you" have an easier time maxing out in high gear?

    7 speed




    This is a 27 speed.



    This is a 30 speed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    Ummm OK.




    Ummm OK! I'm confused?

    Here is a question for you. My wife's 88 Bianchi is a 7 speed, the white Madone is a 27 speed. The Blue Trek Pilot is a 30 speed. Which one would "you" have an easier time maxing out in high gear?

    7 speed




    This is a 27 speed.



    This is a 30 speed


    Currently? None. Dude I weigh 414lbs. I would destroy all of thoes bikes. But hypothtical......which ever had a larger crank. But SOOOOOO many other factors play into rideing. Its not always about how big vs small the gearing is. Saddle postion, bike weight, type of tires , PSI, Bracket ect ect. All these things are in perfect tune on my Jamis Hudson.

    Oterwise how else could a dude as large as me ride such a heavy bike so fast. FYI: I haven't had the bike a year yet & have already gone thru 3 chains, 2 freewheels, & 2 bottem Bracets. Its almost like the bike is trying to say to me......"dude, your fat arse should be put putting along on a single speed, waveing to to people & stopping every 15mins to take a break".

    Instead, I'm a mack truck that pulls mad weight like a pro! & I don't take sob storyies from punk ass chains that can't keep up.

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    BTW, my weight is the ONLY REASON I went with a Jamis Hudson (suspention fork). Frankly I effing hate the peddle forward low arse hanging crank. I started my weight loss at 470lbs. I won't switch to a lighter more "speed oriented" bike til I lose atleast another 100lbs.

    Right now its just a waiting game. My work commute just doubled in lenght (sorry spelling sucks), to 10miles each way. So that 20 miles 5 days a week. If you guys are interested in seeing the blob melt let me know & I'll post pic :-)

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