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    MUP Bollards and Wayfinding - Need Your Input

    My community is starting a system of on road, off road, and seperate bike and ped trails that will connect with a larger countywide system. I would like to see pictures of the bollards (keeping autos out) your MUP uses as well as any wayfinding system your area has in place. If you have pictures from other areas that would be helpful as well. Also, if you have a comment on how well or not these things work or could be improved please include that as well.

    These will be used to design a better system than the main trail and to help people connect throughout the system.

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    I think these lead to LegoLand:
    (They're actually in Portland, which is quite a ways from LegoLand USA.)



    The Portland/Vancouver area has various signs and road markings for the bike lanes, bike paths, and bike boulevards. I've never gotten lost following them, so I suppose they work pretty well.

    A note: make sure bollards are visible for a substantial distance along the path. There was a set of 3 bollards guarding the entrance to a local path. Unfortunately, there was not much space between them, and they were sometimes hidden by brush on a curve. One woman was injured by riding into them at speed. The center one has since been removed.

    I organize volunteers to help clean up a short section of this path a couple times a year. Photos are here:
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    And here's a view of the suspect corner:
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    Not sure just what you mean. On the local greenbelt trail, they have some posts with numbers, which are there, I think, for emergency crews to locate particular locations, but are meaningless to the general public.
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    Here are what the wayfinding signs look like here in Arlington, VA on the trails:

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenH View Post
    Not sure just what you mean. On the local greenbelt trail, they have some posts with numbers, which are there, I think, for emergency crews to locate particular locations, but are meaningless to the general public.
    Our MUP has a numbering system for call ins as well. What I was inquiring about was some type of consistent signage that helps you find and stay on a pathway. The one I'm talking about (the new path) will be sidewalks, local streets, and paved trails, but out of towners may not be able to find each section due to the significant difference in the various parts of the pathway/route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridefreemc View Post
    Our MUP has a numbering system for call ins as well. What I was inquiring about was some type of consistent signage that helps you find and stay on a pathway. The one I'm talking about (the new path) will be sidewalks, local streets, and paved trails, but out of towners may not be able to find each section due to the significant difference in the various parts of the pathway/route.
    OK- what you are calling a "path" I would call a "route". A "path" is usually a stand-alone strip of pavement crossing, but not otherwise connected with streets or sidewalks.

    Around here we have signage similar to Jim's in Virginia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Wills View Post
    OK- what you are calling a "path" I would call a "route". A "path" is usually a stand-alone strip of pavement crossing, but not otherwise connected with streets or sidewalks.

    Around here we have signage similar to Jim's in Virginia.
    Yes, thanks for pointing that out. It is a route - made up of a variety of surfaces and also mixes on and off with other forms of transportation (in this case residential side-streets for part of the route).

    What just came to mind are the blazes that you see along a hiking trail through the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridefreemc View Post
    Our MUP has a numbering system for call ins as well. What I was inquiring about was some type of consistent signage that helps you find and stay on a pathway. The one I'm talking about (the new path) will be sidewalks, local streets, and paved trails, but out of towners may not be able to find each section due to the significant difference in the various parts of the pathway/route.
    Have you been to Europe? Have you ridden routes like the North Sea Route, the Velodyssey Route, etc.?

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    The North Sea Cycle Route
    http://www.northsea-cycle.com/

    Velodyssey Route
    http://www.velodyssey.com/

    Both have pictures of the routes and signage.


    From my photo collection ...

    One bit of signage on the North Sea Route, in Scotland ...


    Another bit of signage. We were following Route 1 which is the North Sea Route, the other route number is for a different route in the vast network of cycling routes in the UK



    And on the Velodyssey Route ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    Have you been to Europe? Have you ridden routes like the North Sea Route, the Velodyssey Route, etc.?
    Nope.

    Thanks for the pictures Machke - they help and give me some good ideas.
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    From a 2006 Chicago Dept of Transportation presentation on bike route signage
    http://www.bikewalk.org/2006conferen...nageSystem.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridefreemc View Post
    Nope.

    Thanks for the pictures Machke - they help and give me some good ideas.

    I highly recommend travelling and experiencing ... go visit cycling routes around the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recycle View Post
    From a 2006 Chicago Dept of Transportation presentation on bike route signage
    http://www.bikewalk.org/2006conferen...nageSystem.pdf

    Awesome! That is very helpful - tying it in with the MUTCD is good too as the local government is always concerned with liability.
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    Our local MUP (which I don't ride much...too many dogs not on leashes) uses a pretty convenient bollard style. They are round steel posts painted yellow, which telescope into recessed pipes which stick up just above the surface of the asphalt (maybe an inch). There is a tab welded to each for a pad lock. The idea is that you can lock them into place to prevent cars, but also remove them for a service truck, lawn mower, emergency vehicle, etc.

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    FHWA has some excellent guidance on bollards, the first advice being not to use them unless truly necessary, then to find any other reasonable access control before using bollards, because they're a well-documented hazard to many trail users, routinely causing accidents or worse.

    http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/...rds_access.cfm

    Here's an example of wayfinding signage Seattle uses where a shared-use path meets an on-street bicycle route:


    Seattle bicycle directional signage / Right Turn Only Except Buses & Bicycles by joshua_putnam, on Flickr


    Here's a wayfinding/bollard combination on the Interurban Trail in Auburn, Washington:


    Interurban Signpost -- Auburn, WA by joshua_putnam, on Flickr



    Here's one example of a bollard installation that meets minimum safety guidance from AASHTO and MUTCD:


    Properly Marked Bollard by joshua_putnam, on Flickr

    Here's another view of the same trail/street intersection:


    Mountains to Sound intersection with Holgate by joshua_putnam, on Flickr

    Note the mandatory conspicuity striping on the pavement in addition to the bright paint and night reflectorization of the bollard, and the hazard striping for the gate. Many installations leave those out; cyclists are killed by inconspicuous bollards every year in the U.S.


    Here's another common safety violation, bollard bases that project above the surrounding pavement when the bollard is removed:


    Hazardous projecting bollard bases by joshua_putnam, on Flickr



    Note there are also standards for keeping bollards set far enough back from intersections that cyclists aren't turning through the intersection when they encounter the bollard


    Interurban Trail @ Ellingson by joshua_putnam, on Flickr
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    Greats pics and ideas. I'll be putting something together soon now that the ideas are flowing in.

    Another thought on the MUTCD (Manual for Urban Traffic Control Devices) "compliance." I'm not sure that it must be followed when the trail or route os off the street system. Of course it doesn't "have" to be followed in the first place, but it may save a lot of liability issues. Not wanting to start a debate on this issue - just thinking in type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridefreemc View Post
    jputnam

    Greats pics and ideas. I'll be putting something together soon now that the ideas are flowing in.

    Another thought on the MUTCD (Manual for Urban Traffic Control Devices) "compliance." I'm not sure that it must be followed when the trail or route os off the street system. Of course it doesn't "have" to be followed in the first place, but it may save a lot of liability issues. Not wanting to start a debate on this issue - just thinking in type.
    MUTCD is optional in the sense that local jurisdictions rarely face court action if they're moderately non-compliant. But legally, yes, Federal law says it applies to all public bicycle trails in the United States.

    Q: Does the MUTCD apply to all roads and streets in the United States?

    A:
    Yes. In Title 23 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Part 655.603 states that the MUTCD is the national standard for all traffic control devices installed on any street, highway, or bicycle trail open to public travel.

    http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/knowledge/...general.htm#q3
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    Here's a few along the Santa Ana River Trail in Huntington Beach/Southern California. The 'trail' is an MUP atop a river's levy, so no real direct access to it except where roads cross over it. At those road/trail junctions there's usually just a fence with an opening wide enough for a bike to get through (also police motorcycles). Usually a locked gate, too, but those are for service vehicles that need access for maintenance.

    The trail ends at the beach where it connects to the parking lot on Huntington State Beach. At this location there are only plastic yellow posts to keep cars out. The spaces seem wide enough for cars to fit through, but I've only seen service vehicles coming through them. Where the bicyclist is turning, he'll connect to a 'boardwalk' bike path that runs for eight miles along the beach. AIMG_0486C.jpgAIMG_0484C.jpgAIMG_0482C.jpg

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