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Old 04-28-13, 03:59 PM   #1
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What lock to get on a budget, please?

Hello,

I'm getting a new bike (my first one) (Marin 29" bolinas ridge) and I can't decide what is the right lock to get for security.
I found TRELOCK BS450 but its quite a lot of money, so is it worth it? Or would you recommend something different?
Please let me know what your experience or tips are. I shall have the bike on tuesday for my bday

Thank you guys
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I've heard to spend 10% of the price of the bike on a lock. I use the Kryptonite NY standard u-lock. I've used it to lock up my carbon road bike and track bike.

I bought my roadie for $1000 plus a few upgrades and my track bike for $280 plus $300 wheelset upgrade. Both haven't been stolen... YET.
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What's the most u can spend 4 a lock?
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I just got one of these Knog locks:
http://www.amazon.com/Knog-Bouncer-U...ords=knog+lock

I wanted something different than the "everyday" U-Lock that the thieves have already defeated a dozen times. It's not the usual "U" that locks into a bar.

The lock cover/coating is nice. It's a rubber material that I think will be nice to the paint. I don't think that the average crackhead could pick the lock...the key is weird. It's very strong.

The only drawback is the same as with any other lock....weight.
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As much as you have................more than your bike costs??
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For economy, look at a BIG-ass log chain and the biggest padlock the links will take. IMO, the most reliable locking method is a combo, heavy lock/chain (trapezoidal links, hardened), and a U-lock. Although it's easy to cut, heavy-duty, auto-trailer-type cable through the wheels will deter opportunists. (I say auto-trailer because I've seen 9/16" cable in the RV sections....)

I have the cable, 3/8" thick by 9 feet long, works to hook up multiple bikes; I also have a foot-long Master U-lock, and a 4' Oxford chain/padlock combo with the trapezoidal links. I can take my bike in the building at work, but if I'm going somewhere else for any length of time, 2 locks go if I'm alone, all 3 if my kids are with me -- plus, my daughter has her own U-lock, a 9" Kryptonite. Bike theft is a crime of opportunity here, pure amateur dullards (thankfully!), I've NEVER had a bike stolen under my care.

ANECDOTE: I had a Schwinn 10-speed back in the 70's; after getting my first car, it basically sat around. My best friend borrowed the Schwinn, and had it stolen & stripped from off of his enclosed back porch. Turned out to be his COUSIN who stole it. The bike cost me $55, my buddy paid me $45 for it, and took it out of his cousin's hide.
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If you can afford that TRELOCK BS450, you can afford the Kryptonite Evo Mini AND locking skewers to secure the seat and wheels. The locking skewers are a pretty darn good alternative to buying a separate lock or cable to secure both wheels and the seat. Skewers: http://amzn.to/11vKMS4

I've used the Evo Mini combined with skewers for over a year now and nothing has been stolen. I often lock up outside, including sometimes overnight. There are plenty of bikes locked up in my neighborhood with missing wheels, seats, handlebar grips, brakes, etc.
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Try these


Cutter U-lock$10.78
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za...ID=19493&MODE=


Cutter Noose N' Shackle $19.98
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za...ID=16624&MODE=
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can you afford to replace the bike when the budget lock is defeated?
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Thank you guys so far for the advice. I think my budget is max 70EUR which is almost $100.
The problem I have is that I have no clue what is secure and what is not. So, I want to get something that is not easily defeated and the thief would have to come prepared specifically with the intention to steal MY bike. I dont' want a thief with a random clippers to be able to just come and take it.
I am aware that if a thief sets his eyes on my bike then he will steal it anyway as he will first observe what types of locks I have and then maybe next day he will come and steal it. Unfortunately, that is something one cannot stop as those thieves will always have something to break your security if they have time to prepare for it.

I was adviced to use the U lock + a cable that would go through the U lock and would secure the wheels.

So my question is, what is good to use and what to look for or perhaps pls tell me which ones are enough. Lock is something that I do not want to pay for a brand but rather for a quality (or effectiveness).
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Thank you guys so far for the advice. I think my budget is max 70EUR which is almost $100.
The problem I have is that I have no clue what is secure and what is not. So, I want to get something that is not easily defeated and the thief would have to come prepared specifically with the intention to steal MY bike. I dont' want a thief with a random clippers to be able to just come and take it.
I am aware that if a thief sets his eyes on my bike then he will steal it anyway as he will first observe what types of locks I have and then maybe next day he will come and steal it. Unfortunately, that is something one cannot stop as those thieves will always have something to break your security if they have time to prepare for it.

I was adviced to use the U lock + a cable that would go through the U lock and would secure the wheels.

So my question is, what is good to use and what to look for or perhaps pls tell me which ones are enough. Lock is something that I do not want to pay for a brand but rather for a quality (or effectiveness).
Watch this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZDq1vkiZwA
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That is cool, thanks.

Now, what is the difference between Trelock and the Cutter one? The price difference is huge so I wonder what is the price/performance value in there?
What do you guys use and what would u suggest for a bike that is 650EUR, please?
My budget is 70EUR as I mentioned earlier
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What do you guys think or know about this? Some people recommend it but in the shop the owner told me that there is a risk that it can break in those joints. Any feedback on it?

http://www.amazon.de/ABUS-Faltschlos.../dp/B00495ZE9E
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What do you guys think or know about this? Some people recommend it but in the shop the owner told me that there is a risk that it can break in those joints. Any feedback on it?

http://www.amazon.de/ABUS-Faltschlos.../dp/B00495ZE9E
I think before I got something like that, I'd get something like this...
http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Kry...=IP5LDU9MAZUKR
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can you afford to replace the bike when the budget lock is defeated?
The cheapest lock that you can get for your bike will be about 90% effective because it forces the thief to have some kind of tool to defeat it. As you progress from 90% effective to 99% effective you engage in a progressively more high tech and more expensive game of one-up-man-ship with the thief. There is no 100% safe. If the thief has the time and technology you will ultimately always lose.

Where do you plan to lock up your bike? Check out what other bikes are parked there and try always to park near a nicer bike that has a less secure locking system.
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I'd recommend a Kryptonite New York Forget-about-it (don't remember the spelling) or the Kryptonite Evolution Mini (5 or 7). I bought the Mini 7, and like it - it isn't as heavy as the NY locks, but is supposed to have good protection nevertheless.

Another factor I looked at was key-stuck-in-lock situations. I wanted to buy the Onguard equivalent of the Evo Mini, but read a lot of accounts of keys getting in locks. Evo Mini users seemed to have less issues of those sort to report.
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Hello guys,

thank you for your help so far. I've managed to find a nice offer for the TRELOCK BS450 but can't decide if I need 300mm or if 230mm is enough. Unfortunately, I can't see it in person so do you think its ok to go for 230 or is it too short?
My bike is http://www.marinbikes.de/bikes/#ht29...nas_ridge_29er

Thank you very much for your suggestions
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Hello guys,

thank you for your help so far. I've managed to find a nice offer for the TRELOCK BS450 but can't decide if I need 300mm or if 230mm is enough. Unfortunately, I can't see it in person so do you think its ok to go for 230 or is it too short?
My bike is http://www.marinbikes.de/bikes/#ht29...nas_ridge_29er

Thank you very much for your suggestions
Longer makes it easier to wrap the lock around a pole or something substantial.

It's better to fill up the loop of a U-lock so that a thief can't fit a car jack into it. Shorter is better for that.
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I'd recommend a Kryptonite New York Forget-about-it (don't remember the spelling) or the Kryptonite Evolution Mini (5 or 7). I bought the Mini 7, and like it - it isn't as heavy as the NY locks, but is supposed to have good protection nevertheless.

Another factor I looked at was key-stuck-in-lock situations. I wanted to buy the Onguard equivalent of the Evo Mini, but read a lot of accounts of keys getting in locks. Evo Mini users seemed to have less issues of those sort to report.
Someone else posted a video of a "Fahgettaboutit" lock being defeated in about 10 seconds; they used a 3' bolt cutter.
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Do you know the length & width of this lock? Is the low price a reflection of the quality?
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I'm a "Keep it simple stupid" fan so this lock will protect as well as any other since if a thief want's your bike their gonna get it.

http://www.amazon.com/MASTERLOCK-719...ike+lock+cable

http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-81...ike+lock+cable
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arghhhhh....... now that I have ordered the Trelock BS450 you post the extensive test. )) So unlucky. ))
Well, I can't cancel now but I hope it was a good purchase. After all its quite expensive so hope it was money well spent. It's not in the test so lets hope I won't get unlucky
Thank you all for chipping in with suggestions. I'm sure it will be helpful to others also
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I'm a "Keep it simple stupid" fan so this lock will protect as well as any other since if a thief want's your bike their gonna get it.

http://www.amazon.com/MASTERLOCK-719...ike+lock+cable

http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-81...ike+lock+cable
It doesn't work like that.
With a good lock you can stop most of the thieves who haven't the proper tools with them. A lock stopping 90% of the thieves is a hell of a lot better than a lock stopping only 5% of them. For instance, the fact that you don't have the flu all year long (i hope) or you don't get sick from drinking water every day are good examples. With those locks above you're preventing only the most opportunistic thieves from steeling your bike as nearly all the tools available and a simple bolt cutter in particular will defeat those cable locks in a few seconds or minutes. The stronger the lock the lesser options and time are available for the thief.

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Yeah, I wouldn't trust any Master brand dial-type combination lock (or any other brand for that matter) since a good kick or tap with a rock will open them right up in less then 5 seconds.
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