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    Toyota Racing Dev. PWRDbyTRD's Avatar
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    Crap!! My ride screwed me!!

    So after my 18.7 mile ride I brought the bike back home and then took it to and from work yesterday. No biggie. Anyways I left today to go on a ride. I got up to about 15mph and started hearing a weird noise from the back wheel. So I go back to the house, spin both apply brakes...nothing. So I figure maybe I had damaged the BB or crankset while jumping curbs the other night, I take it to the LBS...my back wheel is out of true and I broke ANOTHER spoke. So the LBS is going to true my wheel and replace the spoke. How hard is it to true wheels and replace spokes? This whole monthly ride to the LBS is not working.
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    dude, I kept breaking spokes also. Im 330 lbs . I went and bought some rhyno lytes. Have had no problems at all blowing spokes. I def recommend them.

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    I have sun ditch witch rims. the rhynolite/XT hub setup on pricepoint is looking nice though.
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    I heard that if you have broken 2+ spokes then all the spokes are trashed and you have to replace them.

    can anyone verify this?

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    LBS did no such thing when I had 5 replaced. I even asked about the integrity of the other spokes and they said it was not an issue. I guess it also depends HOW you break them. My chain ripped em up...I've never broken more than 1 spoke since then.
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    If you have the time you ought to try replacing the next broken spoke yourself. After reading a little about truing wheels. If you do botch it up, then just go to the bike shop anyway. After a while you will get it. This is a good skill to have a long way from home.

    If you have broken a spoke it is possible that you may start braking them on that wheel. Often, but not always, once one spoke breaks the others have been stressed already and are likely to break. So if you go with the most likely thing to happen...

    If you break say two more, it's probably cheaper and less trouble to get the whole wheel respoked by a pro in one shot. You most likely will end up with a better wheel than you started with in the first place. Hand built wheels are almost always better than the ones that come on a bike. I think my LBS charges about $45 - $50 to respoke an entire wheel. If you start to pay a few bucks (maybe $7 or $8) for each spoke replacement it adds up. That's why bike shops say that if you break a few you might as well do them all., it's usually a better deal money wise, and a better wheel in the end. No guarantees, but that's the best educated guess they can make.

    edit post: If you are going to jump curbs and do much off road riding, If you don't mind spending the money and having the bike out of service...see if you can get a deal on getting both wheels respoked with some really good spokes. Or a least talk about it at the bike shop to see what they think. Unfortunately there is no way to guarantee the results, but it may save you a lot of trips to the bike shop.

    There is not much risk to NOT doing this, except extra trips and possibly the money. It's rare that a broken spoke does much damage but... it does happen, once in a great while.
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    I am going to order a trueing stand and wrenches tonight or tomorrow or monday...picking at my options...I knock my wheel out of true within 2 weeks, and i want to learn how to build wheels anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PWRDbyTRD
    I am going to order a trueing stand and wrenches tonight or tomorrow or monday...picking at my options...I knock my wheel out of true within 2 weeks, and i want to learn how to build wheels anyways.
    Good plan..

    If you can borrow, or possibly buy "The Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt, it is a huge help, It tells you everything. Others may have suggestions too, I only have this one.

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    "The Bicycle Wheel" at Amazon......

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...682441-8712626

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    Yeah, I would put the $$ into buying a truing stand/wrenches. Once you get the hang of truing a wheel, it not that hard. I think i still remember how, lol

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    I found the spin doctor on performance for 30 bucks...what other sub 100 dollar recommendations do you folks have?
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    Biggest tip for truing wheels, look through the tire/rim to detirmine which direction to turn the spoke. You don't really need a truing stand if your brakes are set up correctly. Tighen the spoke nipple the direction you need to move the rim, but loosen the spoke nipple the same amount for the other side, just next to the nipple you tighened.
    Bikes use brakes to stop.

    If your bike has breaks, don't ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PWRDbyTRD
    I knock my wheel out of true within 2 weeks, and i want to learn how to build wheels anyways.
    You need stronger wheels.
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    yep you need stronger wheels, and which spokes are breaking? Drive side of rear wheel or non drive side? You need to have really tight spokes. If you dont your spokes flex, and just like a paper clip when you bend it back and forth it breaks. But yea, where is the spoke breaking, and what gauge are you using?

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    spin doctor pro is an awsome stand, it could be a bit beefier. BUt its very precise. The park TS-7 is niely made, but its a crappy stand. I hate it, it drives me nuts becuase you cant have any accuracy. Its just nice becuase its heavy steel

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fixer
    You need stronger wheels.
    I agree. From your post--I didn't catch your weight or if your wheels were lightweight or radially spoked. But it sounds like your wheels may be a bit too petite for you.

    If you are over 200lbs, I would suggest using wheels with a minimum of 32 spokes in a 3X lacing pattern. If you already have 32 spoke wheels, then look into 36 hole wheels. 3X patterns are the most stable and consistent.

    Touring wheelsets are also available and are a little more robust than conventional wheelsets. If your frame can handle the wider rims, that may be another option.

    I've learned to rebuild wheels myself. Its a methodical and laborious project. Its also very slow and tediious to do it correctly. It takes me hours to rebuild one set. With that in mind, I refuse to waste my time on wheels that refuse to stay true.

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    Diesel Dan... I run disc, therefore this approach is useless.
    The Fixer... I know I need stronger wheels, but I think it's my curb tendancies that are doing this to my wheel. pulling myself up on a curb is not healthy for the wheel and I still do it
    Phantom... I answered your PM, and thanks for the input, have you personally used a S/D truer or are you getting this from reviews?
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    i have persnally used it. Infact i own it now, and was just using it an hour ago.

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    And sorry for the long and boring PM i ramble too much for myown good

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    its not your curb tendencies, its your method of riding them. if a wheel cant handle a simple curb how will it fare on an off road trail?

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    Sounds like you need a road bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by operator
    Sounds like you need a road bike.
    It's never a question of need...it's a question of want....always remember that. my "road" wheels will be 32 or 36 spoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PWRDbyTRD
    Diesel Dan... I run disc, therefore this approach is useless.
    Subsitute "chain stays" or "seat stays" for brakes then.
    Bikes use brakes to stop.

    If your bike has breaks, don't ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauren
    My brother just got one of the $30 spin doctor stands. I plan to try to use it on a potato chipped front wheel this weekend (found it by the garbage, back wheel is worse and I plan on keeping the front as an extra emergency, then hauling what's left back to the garbage bin).
    Let me know how he likes it if you would plz
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    Get some mavic 729 rims

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