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Old 05-29-13, 07:01 AM   #1
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Saracen Instinct DX 09 - Back axle quick release - Bad times :(

What a nightmare!!!! I was riding my bike to the station lastnight and just before I got to the station I heard a Big Bang!!! The wheels started rubbing. Having heavy bags didn't help either. So I rushed to the station and I saw the train. I rushed up the steps and the back wheel came off and rolled down the steps, and the train was ******** gone!! The back axle finally snapped off. Wheels came off because nothing supporting it. It was soo frustrating. Had to wait 1 hour for another train. So I locked my bike up and walked back 15 minutes to look for my quick release part but it was to dark to find it.

So Now I have lost my quick release etc... I think some bearings may have been lost 2. Can anyone guide/help me. Thanks
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Old 05-29-13, 07:15 AM   #2
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It sounds to me like you broke your rear axle. That's not too bad of a fix. If you're up to doing that yourself you'll need an "axle set" to match your hub. In addition to the axle it will contain the cones, washers and lock nuts that you need. Axles come in varying lengths so be sure that you get the right one. You'll also need new bearings and a new quick release.

FWIW, I'd hold out for a genuine Shimano quick release. They use a mechanism that clamps much more tightly than most of the aftermarket products.
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Could you please give me some links to what you think is good. The hub brand is: centerpoint. I can not find that brand anywhere on the internet. So I am a bit frustrated. Have you ever heard of that brand. Yes it snapped nicely. I heard a loud bang. How do I know the size without having the exact one lol

I don't need a skewer do i? I just need a quick release end that screws on the end of the axle?
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"Centerpoint" isn't a hub brand name that I'm familiar with. I can't tell without seeing your wheel but, considering parts, labor and the overall condition of your wheel, you might be better off replacing the whole rear wheel. Either way, the first thing to do is to carefully measure in millimeters the inside distance between your bike's rear dropouts.
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Shall I take some pics for you and you can have a look at what where talking about to make things easier? Cheers
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Medieval age Saracens still causing trouble?
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this is odd

generally if an axle with a quick release snaps the quick release holds the whole thing together
if an axle without a quick release snaps the nuts holding the axle to the frame hold the whole thing together
neither of these situations will result in the wheel fallnig out

if just the quick release snapped then what is described could happen
or if the axle broke and the quick release held it together until the incident in the op when it broke and the wheel fell out
if this is what happened then you were likely iding with a broken axle and a wobbly back wheel for some time.
and if that is true then it is your fault for not getting it fixed sooner

anyhow
most hubs come with standard size of axle (M10 X 1 i think) and bearing cones and an experienced bike shop can easily reassemble it for less than the price of a new wheel
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Nice one sherlock holmes, you should become a incident inspector lol. Well your 100% correct. The back axle was already broke, The back wheel didn't rub but when you sat on the bike (Applied weight) It did slightly rub... So I gather the quick release snapped as well

Here is some pics of my bike and wheel etc...






















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Nice one sherlock holmes, you should become a incident inspector lol. Well your 100% correct. The back axle was already broke, The back wheel didn't rub but when you sat on the bike (Applied weight) It did slightly rub... So I gather the quick release snapped as well
elementary my dear babysnoop

i have years of experience listening to cockamamie stories
that defy the laws of logic and physics
about why the product failed through no fault of the person using it

this is not to say your story was cockamamie
it was
but that is not what i meant to say

kids usually have the funniest lies
and they are totally shocked when their story is revealed
as a poorly constructed fiction
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YGWYPF has been re confirmed.

To meet Low target price, they spec'd a freewheel hub,

now , go buy a Cassette hub, wheel At a bike shop,
they will move the disc parts over to the new wheel , and make it work.
You'd need a new chain too..

Cassette freehub, the right axle bearing is on the very outside end of the hub,
cassette driver assembly.. under the high gear cog..

freewheel hubs , the axle support bearing is inboard , so Axle has longer leverage,
un supported, it flexed till it broke.

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elementary my dear babysnoop

i have years of experience listening to cockamamie stories
that defy the laws of logic and physics
about why the product failed through no fault of the person using it

this is not to say your story was cockamamie
it was
but that is not what i meant to say

kids usually have the funniest lies
and they are totally shocked when their story is revealed
as a poorly constructed fiction
lol, well I gotta tell you, you worked out the incident straight away. Even though it sounded like a theory, it was what really happened

Well what can be my next step now do you think? I got all the parts here apart from the bearing and axle. Need help finding the bearings for this and the axle

Add to the note, I wasn't shocked and I admitted to what happened and also said your story was correct. So I got nothing to be shamed of. In fact most people would of lied because they would not want to look stupid!! But we all make mistakes right? lol

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YGWYPF has been re confirmed.

To meet Low target price, they spec'd a freewheel hub,

now , go buy a Cassette hub, wheel At a bike shop,
they will move the disc parts over to the new wheel , and make it work.
You'd need a new chain too..

Cassette freehub, the right axle bearing is on the very outside end of the hub,
cassette driver assembly.. under the high gear cog..

freewheel hubs , the axle support bearing is inboard , so Axle has longer leverage,
un supported, it flexed till it broke.
I already bought a new freewheel and chain, tyres, chain tool, chain whip etc.... All I need now is cone, bearings and a axle. Need help finding this. Any websites for parts would be good but cheap at the same time

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Don't bother trying to fix, a sensible bike shop should suggest replacement, you have a low value wheel as described above, you should be able to get a replacement for £30 for a disc freewheel hub wheel, this will be the same or less than the cost of repair & parts (you are missing some cone parts, and the axle doesn't look to healthy)
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While you got things apart, carefully inspect the hub for pitting or other wear in the cups. Hard to tell, but one of those pictures seems to show major wear. Also, check all the spoke-holes in the hub flanges looking for small stress fractures or tearing. I suspect it might be time to replace the hub anyway, in which case eat the cost of the freewheel you bought and buy a whole new modern 7-spd cassette wheel.

What kind of bike is that, anyway?

And for god's sake man, Please clean the grime off the cogs!! A clean wheel is a happy wheel!
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LOL. I will be giving the bike a PROPER clean soon

I will check for any further damage, cheers for the hint. Well I love riding my bike and need it back on the road ASAP!!! I personally think the wheel is in ok condition after a clean. I already bought a new freewheel, chain, tyre lol. I need a axle, bearings and cone. Any links for them? When I fix this bike, its gonna be clean like it just came out of the showroom lol

Its a Saracen Instinct DX 09. Like a jump, trial bike. It cost over £400 about 5 years ago



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any bike shop will have the axle and bearings you need

fyi
i wasnt accusing you of trying to cover up the truth
but saying that i got my astonishing powers to identify the mode of failure
based on a limited description of a problem
by dealing with people lying about how a failure occured
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Like a jump, trial bike. It cost over £400 about 5 years ago
this is
imho
a flaw with the bike

it is styled as if it is some type of bike
that might be capable of jumps and stunts
but a freewheel hub indicates that it is a jump style bike
not a jump bike
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Don't bother trying to fix, a sensible bike shop should suggest replacement, you have a low value wheel as described above, you should be able to get a replacement for £30 for a disc freewheel hub wheel, this will be the same or less than the cost of repair & parts (you are missing some cone parts, and the axle doesn't look to healthy)
That's what I think too. If you repair the wheel you have you will bring it back to what it was before. What it was before was a wheel that has shown a propensity for breaking axles. Is that what you really want?

If it was my bike I'd bite the bullet and upgrade to a wheel with a cassette hub.
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Would agree with the cassette hub, but the OP mentions (in post #16) they have already purchased a new freewheel, would go for the cassette option next time the axle breaks.
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That's what I think too. If you repair the wheel you have you will bring it back to what it was before. What it was before was a wheel that has shown a propensity for breaking axles. Is that what you really want?

If it was my bike I'd bite the bullet and upgrade to a wheel with a cassette hub.
I've already recieved the new chain, freewheel etc lol. to be fair, this bike has lasted me a long time carrying heavy bags etc... I've rid it for miles and miles, And even though the back axle was already broke in half, it still held ON for nearly 2 months. So I blame myself not the bike. However because I already have some of the parts, I could repair it and use the parts up, then if it breaks again, I will just buy a new wheel as you lot have suggested.

How does that sound?

Does that sound fair?
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now you know its not a jump bike, it only looks like one .. the rear wheel design is the weak spot,
[but, Ok for normal street cruising ]..
and that was to make the price low enough * [inc. that VAT tax hit]

.. and the seller's margin adequate.
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Does that sound fair?
What's fair have to do with it? It's your bike, you're the only person that bike has to make happy. If it's OK with you, it's OK with me.
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What's fair have to do with it? It's your bike, you're the only person that bike has to make happy. If it's OK with you, it's OK with me.
EVERYTHING!! Its fair to give the bike a chance because it broke because I kept riding it knowing the back axle was on its way out!

Its fair to give the new parts a new home because they have never had a home before

Anyway I came here to be directed to the parts etc... It seems people are more interested in talking about other things, a bit frustrating lol
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