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Old 08-16-13, 06:25 PM   #1
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PLEASE... Help here with car carriers for a bicycle with fenders.

I have done tons of research and called tons of places and still not 100% sure with what I want to go with for a bicycle carrier. So here I am asking for good opinions and what to do.

Heres what I have:

2012 Volkswagen Jetta SPORTWAGEN (station wagon) with the OEM cross bars.

1 Papillionaire classic mens bicycle
1 Papillionaire sommer female bicycle

First off trying to decide between a hitch carrier or a roof rack must just be all personal preference. I already have the crossbars so I figured I would go with the roof rack style. I know to be careful not to run your car under things too low when the bikes are on. Im also wondering how the fenders on the bicycles will be when in the wind on a highway? They are metal fenders.

So far, the types I've looked at are as follows:

Yakima Raptor Aero
Thule Big Mouth
OEM Volkswagen racks 6Q0-071-128-A

Looking for any recommendations or opinions... Need to pick something soon, im sick of looking! haha

THANKS!
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Old 08-16-13, 06:35 PM   #2
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I have never had a problem with metal fenders on a roof rack, but those bikes are on the heavy side and it will be a ***** to get them up there. I have shredded more than one plastic/composite type fender on a roof rack. I much prefer the ease of loading a rear mount rack. None of my sedans have a hitch so I use the Saris Bones. We typically have a pair of Raleigh Sports type bikes on there. One is a Superbe the other a Colt. I also haul my monster city bike on it on occasion with no issues.

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Old 08-16-13, 06:39 PM   #3
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I have never had a problem with metal fenders on a roof rack, but those bikes are on the heavy side and it will be a ***** to get them up there. I have shredded more than one plastic/composite type fender on a roof rack. I much prefer the ease of loading a rear mount rack. None of my sedans have a hitch so I use the Saris Bones. We typically have a pair of Raleigh Sports type bikes on there. One is a Superbe the other a Colt. I also haul my monster city bike on it on occasion with no issues.

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Thanks...

Our bikes really arent that heavy, maybe 20lbs? Im all for steel lugged frames so thats all i buy.

Also, as far as carriers that just mount on the car itself... Probably not something I'll be interested in due to more chances of damage to our car. But thank you for the input!
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Here is the bikes from some photos I pulled off the internet. I also put up a photo of our car with the OEM bars installed.










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was a tower mount for touring bikes with lowriders .. the wheel was removed . so the T clamp was up 8" taller than the standard one.
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as a rule i just say no to roof racks. i'd suggest the hitch rack and then your worry about the fenders catching wind is a moot point. you'll have to get a cross bar adapter for the wife's bike depending on what kind of hitch rack you get.
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It's interesting and disappointing that this question is so hard to answer!

I prefer roof racks that mount bikes by the front fork. The CG is lower, wind drag is less, bikes are secure, leverage on the car is less, etc. Full coverage fenders can complicate that by contacting the tray if the head is not tall enough and I have had the wind ruin a SKS fender on the roof. With steel fenders, this kind or rack still may be the best option if your front wheels are on quick-release skewers. Thule Circuit, Yakima Viper, etc.

I am unable to comment on the ability of systems like the Thule Sidearm or Yakima Holdup to hold your bikes securely but don't think the short forward extension of the fenders would pose much problem. The fact that your bikes have cables routed on the down tubes seems like plenty of reason to avoid systems that hold your bikes by the down tubes to me.

If I were in your position and going wheels-on it would probably be with the Holdup though I would want to see the bikes mounted on one first.
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Not getting too many solid answers here... I cant be the only person with a bike with fenders that needs to transport them by car. anything else guys? Thanks!
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I have a Yakima Raptor which I occasionally use for overflow; it attaches to the bike's crossbar and should be okay with fenders. http://www.yakima.com/shop/bike/roof/raptor

Having said that, I think a hitch rack is the way to go - a complete Papillionaire weighs 30 lbs and it's no fun putting something like that on the roof because you have no leverage. On highway trips, you will probably lose about 5 mpg with both bikes loaded, although there won't be much of an effect on city driving (it's the high speed that causes the resistance).

But I think the raptor or something similar would work; the only way to know for sure would be to go to a store and try it out (you wouldn't need to mount it on the roof, you could do it on the floor). Or buy from Amazon and return within 30 days if doesn't work.
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I think if you weigh those bikes you will find they are quite a bit heavier than 20#, probably closer to 40#. I too prefer steel. Maybe I am just a lazy old fart but putting a bike on a roof rack is not my idea of fun any more. I have been looking at a hitch mount rack like Saris Freedom. FWIW all but two of my 30+ bikes (mostly vintage) are steel. The two are aluminum, one is a 50#+ loaded city bike, the other is our tandem. I suggested the Saris Bones because I have one and it has been a great solution to trying to fit bikes on a variety of different cars and is not particularly expensive. I have used a variety of roof racks over the years, with fenders fitted your choices of of racks goes down. My first racks were the fork mount that require you to remove the front wheel. The ones with the arm that comes up to the frame are a crap shoot as to what type of bike they will and won't fit.

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I think if you weigh those bikes you will find they are quite a bit heavier than 20#, probably closer to 40#.
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That's the first thing I thought when I saw those pics. No way those are 20# bikes.
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My suggestion for hitch racks is to get the type that holds the bikes by the wheels rather than by the frame. I have used the Thule T2 in the past, but I now have a Hollywood SportriderII, and it works great for all my bikes, even the long wheelbase ones and my recumbent.
Saris makes terrific racks, but the one to avoid if your bikes have fenders is the Saris Thelma. The wheel mounts do not play nice with fenders.
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I have what amounts to the Yakima Raptor (re-branded by Subaru for sale at their dealers as an OEM accessory). I've had it for about 16 months and used it maybe 20 times. The pivots for the clamp bar have loosened up, causing an unnerving noise but the bike remains secure. I'll probably replace it next year with a fork-mount style rack.
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Here is the bikes from some photos I pulled off the internet. I also put up a photo of our car with the OEM bars installed.
I can't tell from the pictures or the Papillionaire web site if your front wheels are on quick-release skewers or bolted on. Which?

Maybe you could hit up a local group ride or race to try your bikes on a couple different types of racks. I suspect such an exercise would be VERY enlightening.
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I have two firm rules about racks:
1. Hitch racks only.
2. A rack that supports the bikes by the *wheels*.
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I have two firm rules about racks:
1. Hitch racks only.
2. A rack that supports the bikes by the *wheels*.
Point 2 is perhaps complicated by the OP's bikes having fenders. Can you comment on the ability of something like the Yakima Holdup's ability to hold the bike securely if positioned to clear a fender?

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Point 2 is perhaps complicated by the OP's bikes having fenders. Can you comment on the ability of something like the Yakima Holdup's ability to hold the bike securely if positioned to clear a fender?
2 of my 4 bikes have fenders.
I have a no-name-brand rack that I bought via eBay.
I'm not entirely happy with the design, but it does handle fenders.
There is a padded u-shaped bar that swings up between the 2 bikes, and the seat tubes are strapped to it.
There are also straps which attach the bottom of the tires to the channels in which the tires sit.
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I believe we have decided to go with the OEM "Barracuda" or "roofrush" racks for our Volkswagen. They are made by MONT BLANC which is a european company and can hold bikes up to 35 pounds (ours are 31) they also support bikes with fenders as they only grab the down tube. Should work great! Thanks for all the help, I'll let you know how it works out!
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I have a Saris Cycle-on pro because I wanted the option of adding the extender so I could carry four bikes. The front wheel fits in a tray and an arm locks onto the tire. The new Saris Freedom sill uses the tray but it secures onto the down tube and so fenders don't pose a problem. http://www.rackattack.com/product-pa...bike-black.asp
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