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katsrevenge 09-09-13 01:31 AM

Leather Saddle?
 
I'd like to put a retro looking leather saddle on the project commuter type bike. But I do not have the kind of cash for a Brooks or other expensive saddle.

I like the way these look.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BICYCLE-LEAT...item232e6f6dd8

And these.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121172888337...84.m1436.l2649

Anyone have either of these? How do they hold up and ride?

Phil_gretz 09-09-13 05:19 AM

Why? What?

Why not just start with a comfortable (for you) traditional bike saddle? Those contraptions you linked are heavy, over designed to replicate early suspension saddles, made with inferior leather, and are of suspect quality. Again, why? A commuter saddle has to stand up to the rigors of daily use in a wide range of conditions. Try something durable, but start at a bike shop, not on eBay...

What saddles have you ridden so far? What characteristics worked for you, and what didn't? How long is the commute?

Road Fan 09-09-13 05:39 AM

I'm skeptical that those low-price saddles will hold up for very long. I would save up for a Brooks, if you want that basic shape.

MRT2 09-09-13 07:00 AM

I use a Brooks, and would recommend it. While I have no opinion about the above saddle, I have read good things about Velo Orange leather saddles like this one. They also make an unsprung one similar to the B 17.http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-1...FbAWMgodi2AAyQ

bikemig 09-09-13 07:12 AM

Used brooks can be found; start looking on CL.

Tim_Iowa 09-09-13 12:00 PM

I have the first saddle, a cheap brown leather brooks wannabe. I put it on a '77 Schwinn Speedster (3-speed) that I polished up.

Review: Great looking, but not a great saddle. It's a knockoff of a Brooks B67 with the front spring of a B33. But, the springs are way too soft, as is the leather. This saddle is floppy side-to-side, so it saps some of your pedal power. The tension adjustment underneath the nose is laughably terrible; it won't hold tension at all and is nearly impossible to adjust. I had to take the saddle apart and jam a nut onto the tension bolt in order to hold some tension, otherwise the bolt slides all the way back in and the saddle is a noodle again.

The leather is thick, real leather. But it's not stiff enough to be saddle leather. I'm going to try lacing the sides of the saddle together underneath in order to stiffen it up and make it marginally usable.

Verdict: a fine saddle for show, but not for riding. At all. Scour the internet and forums for used Brooks saddles. They'll still be expensive; I've bought two (a Flyer and a B17 special) for $75 each. Half price on a Brooks is still more expensive than many saddles, but totally worth it.

If you're seeking a retro-looking saddle, there are several modern saddles today with retro looks, brown material, springs, etc. But these direct-from-china saddles aren't worth your time or money.

Al Criner 09-09-13 02:13 PM

Do you really want a 4-pound saddle?

katsrevenge 09-09-13 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_gretz (Post 16045841)
Why? What?

Why not just start with a comfortable (for you) traditional bike saddle? Those contraptions you linked are heavy, over designed to replicate early suspension saddles, made with inferior leather, and are of suspect quality. Again, why? A commuter saddle has to stand up to the rigors of daily use in a wide range of conditions. Try something durable, but start at a bike shop, not on eBay...

What saddles have you ridden so far? What characteristics worked for you, and what didn't? How long is the commute?

Well, I want the look as well as the comfort. I was iffy on these as they look a bit over built.
I've never had a leather saddle just regular gel and plastic ones. I'm looking for one I can ride for at least 5 miles one way.
The bike I'm shopping for would be one that wouldn't see a lot of bad weather.

I've been to 2 of 3 local bike shops and neither really had much in the way of saddle stock.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRT2 (Post 16046048)
I use a Brooks, and would recommend it. While I have no opinion about the above saddle, I have read good things about Velo Orange leather saddles like this one. They also make an unsprung one similar to the B 17.http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-1...FbAWMgodi2AAyQ

I just can't justify 100+ on a saddle. Can't. But that link looks the part and the price is easier to swallow. Thanks!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim_Iowa (Post 16047171)
I have the first saddle, a cheap brown leather brooks wannabe. I put it on a '77 Schwinn Speedster (3-speed) that I polished up.

Review: Great looking, but not a great saddle. It's a knockoff of a Brooks B67 with the front spring of a B33. But, the springs are way too soft, as is the leather. This saddle is floppy side-to-side, so it saps some of your pedal power. The tension adjustment underneath the nose is laughably terrible; it won't hold tension at all and is nearly impossible to adjust. I had to take the saddle apart and jam a nut onto the tension bolt in order to hold some tension, otherwise the bolt slides all the way back in and the saddle is a noodle again.

The leather is thick, real leather. But it's not stiff enough to be saddle leather. I'm going to try lacing the sides of the saddle together underneath in order to stiffen it up and make it marginally usable.

Verdict: a fine saddle for show, but not for riding. At all. Scour the internet and forums for used Brooks saddles. They'll still be expensive; I've bought two (a Flyer and a B17 special) for $75 each. Half price on a Brooks is still more expensive than many saddles, but totally worth it.

If you're seeking a retro-looking saddle, there are several modern saddles today with retro looks, brown material, springs, etc. But these direct-from-china saddles aren't worth your time or money.

Thanks, this was what I was afraid of.

I'm looking for a retro-ish leather one. If I didn't want leather I'd already have bought one; I've a few neat older looking saddles. It's making the search harder, for sure!

Quote:

Originally Posted by customleather (Post 16047595)
You might try to have a custom leather shop recover a seat you currently have and is comfortable for you already. My shop does this on a regular basis. You can contact me if you have any questions. If not try and look around for some leather shops that may be able to help you. We don't charge a whole lot for that kind of stuff and I can't imagine other shops either.

Thanks but I don't have an old one that I could have recovered. The original saddle on the bike was some horrid thing with gel over unshaped solid plastic. Actually, I lie. I think that was a replacement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Criner (Post 16047672)
Do you really want a 4-pound saddle?

The weight didn't enter into my calculations. My daily rider weights in the 40 pound range.

fietsbob 09-09-13 04:02 PM

my Brooks cost less because I got it in 1975.




[none you show are useful with newer seat post types)

katsrevenge 09-09-13 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 16048053)
my Brooks cost less because I got it in 1975.




[none you show are useful with newer seat post types)

I wasn't born for another 5 years, LMAO!!

The bike I'm gussying up is from I think 1985. I'm just decking it out like a much older bike. It has a standard seat post.

dynaryder 09-09-13 04:31 PM

Just picked up a Brooks for my Brommie at a bike swap the other week. $15. It's slightly 'distressed',but serviceable and still had alot of life left in it.

Just gotta look around. Heck,a friend of mine once picked up a completely haggard bike for $25 at a yard sale because it had a decent Brooks on it. Pulled the saddle off and gave the rest to some friends to make a freak bike.

bikemig 09-09-13 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 16048153)
Just picked up a Brooks for my Brommie at a bike swap the other week. $15. It's slightly 'distressed',but serviceable and still had alot of life left in it.

Just gotta look around. Heck,a friend of mine once picked up a completely haggard bike for $25 at a yard sale because it had a decent Brooks on it. Pulled the saddle off and gave the rest to some friends to make a freak bike.

No. 1. Leather saddles are hard to destroy and they can be found for cheap if you look hard enough.

katsrevenge 09-09-13 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 16048153)
Just picked up a Brooks for my Brommie at a bike swap the other week. $15. It's slightly 'distressed',but serviceable and still had alot of life left in it.

Just gotta look around. Heck,a friend of mine once picked up a completely haggard bike for $25 at a yard sale because it had a decent Brooks on it. Pulled the saddle off and gave the rest to some friends to make a freak bike.

I wonder if anything like that hapens locally. Hmmm.

Yard sales. I've never seen a bike at one. Mostly grandma's old glass knick-knacks and dated clothing. We scoured the local flea market for bikes before buying the fiance's bike. No luck. Ah well, so it goes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikemig (Post 16048156)
No. 1. Leather saddles are hard to destroy and they can be found for cheap if you look hard enough.

I wouldn't mind vintage as long as it was useable and sized right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by customleather (Post 16048181)
Give me a call im sure I can help you out with your price point on full grain leather saddle. You never know until you ask lol. (615) 266-2058
Ask for Philippe

I may just do that! Got a website I could look at?

wahoonc 09-10-13 03:47 AM

Look in old bike shops, flea markets and watch eBay. I own several bikes with leather saddles, many I paid full price for because they are very comfortable (for me) and will last a life time. Some manufacturers to watch for are Wright's, Brooks, Ideale, V-O (Velo-Orange) and Persons.

Aaron :)

Doug5150 09-10-13 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katsrevenge (Post 16045687)
I'd like to put a retro looking leather saddle on the project commuter type bike. But I do not have the kind of cash for a Brooks or other expensive saddle. ...

If you want to go seriously retro, then what you want is a saddle with "hair pin" springs:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-HAIR-P...-/190488112738

Not exactly cheap though, I'd agree.

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If you want a leather saddle because of the way that they look, there's nothing wrong with that. I don't much see any technical advantage however; at the very least certainly the wet-weather durability is lacking.

Leather saddles predate pneumatic bicycle tires, and they have generated discomfort complaints for about as long as they have existed. That is mostly the riding position necessitated by the upright bicycle however.

Lots of people like how leather looks so they still make chairs and seats out of the stuff,,,,, but no modern vehicle builder of any other type claims that leather is a superior seat material based only on technical reasons.

MEversbergII 09-10-13 06:59 AM

Perhaps try digging up a saddle from a Chinese roadster? IIRC they use that style of saddle, and the entire bike is cheap.

Then again, that's probably what those first links are...

M.

Jewel 09-10-13 10:40 AM

I found this on Craigslist in PA, specifically Pittsburgh; I don't know if it's in your price range or even near to where you're at, but hopefully, it'll give you so hope that you'll be able to score a good, affordable leather saddle soon: http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bik/4017648797.html

P.S. I've been looking at Brooks as well. Too bad they're so spendy.

Doohickie 09-10-13 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikemig (Post 16046075)
Used brooks can be found; start looking on CL.

I have Brooks saddles for all six of my bikes. Between swap meets and Craigslist, I've gotten three of them for between $25 and $60.

JohnDThompson 09-10-13 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Criner (Post 16047672)
Do you really want a 4-pound saddle?

Who makes a 4 pound saddle?

The Brooks "Team Professional" -- my preferred saddle for distance riding -- tips the scales at 530gm. That is much more than the popular carbon fiber shingles often used for saddles these days, but if it means I can ride all day without discomfort I don't mind.

katsrevenge 09-10-13 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 16049652)
Look in old bike shops, flea markets and watch eBay. I own several bikes with leather saddles, many I paid full price for because they are very comfortable (for me) and will last a life time. Some manufacturers to watch for are Wright's, Brooks, Ideale, V-O (Velo-Orange) and Persons.

Aaron :)

Thanks for brand names. :) I'm hoping to find a comfy seat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug5150 (Post 16049692)
If you want to go seriously retro, then what you want is a saddle with "hair pin" springs:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-HAIR-P...-/190488112738

Not exactly cheap though, I'd agree.

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If you want a leather saddle because of the way that they look, there's nothing wrong with that. I don't much see any technical advantage however; at the very least certainly the wet-weather durability is lacking.

Leather saddles predate pneumatic bicycle tires, and they have generated discomfort complaints for about as long as they have existed. That is mostly the riding position necessitated by the upright bicycle however.

Lots of people like how leather looks so they still make chairs and seats out of the stuff,,,,, but no modern vehicle builder of any other type claims that leather is a superior seat material based only on technical reasons.

Oh man, that's a bit too old school! I like how they look, I like how they can last and are not made of petro-chemicals and the idea of something shaping itself to your bum is appealing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MEversbergII (Post 16049949)
Perhaps try digging up a saddle from a Chinese roadster? IIRC they use that style of saddle, and the entire bike is cheap.

Then again, that's probably what those first links are...

M.

Maybe? I did find some old Russian leather saddles on Etsy but they looked a bit dry rotted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewel (Post 16050937)
I found this on Craigslist in PA, specifically Pittsburgh; I don't know if it's in your price range or even near to where you're at, but hopefully, it'll give you so hope that you'll be able to score a good, affordable leather saddle soon: http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bik/4017648797.html

P.S. I've been looking at Brooks as well. Too bad they're so spendy.

It's near my old haunts but not my current ones. I'm not holding out too much hope for local craigslists. I've seen one in person ever and that was on a bike that looked to be the rider's pride and joy. But I'll keep looking. Maybe we'll both get lucky!

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 16052295)
Who makes a 4 pound saddle?

The Brooks "Team Professional" -- my preferred saddle for distance riding -- tips the scales at 530gm. That is much more than the popular carbon fiber shingles often used for saddles these days, but if it means I can ride all day without discomfort I don't mind.

That. I'm not looking to break any speed records, just avoid sore bum. I mean.. I already prefer something with springs and a wider backend so I know it won't be that light.

Doug5150 09-11-13 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katsrevenge (Post 16052420)
... Oh man, that's a bit too old school! ....

But you can get the matching tool bag?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/bicycle-pure...-/171051861774
These are where the whole concept of a bicycle "seat bag" originated: people started rolling up tool rolls ( http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/p...FcwWMgod6nIA1A ) and sticking them into the hairpin springs. So bag makers starting making bags to attach inside the springs.

(that tool above roll is not for bicycling, it is just provided as an example of what a tool roll is--a fabric container for tools that rolls up...)

Oh well, enjoy whatever you end up choosing. :)

MEversbergII 09-11-13 09:41 AM

Quote:

Maybe? I did find some old Russian leather saddles on Etsy but they looked a bit dry rotted.
Well, these you could find new. They're also pretty heavily coated with some kind of lacquer, so they're weather-wearing.

M.

katsrevenge 09-11-13 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug5150 (Post 16053445)
But you can get the matching tool bag?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/bicycle-pure...-/171051861774
These are where the whole concept of a bicycle "seat bag" originated: people started rolling up tool rolls ( http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/p...FcwWMgod6nIA1A ) and sticking them into the hairpin springs. So bag makers starting making bags to attach inside the springs.

(that tool above roll is not for bicycling, it is just provided as an example of what a tool roll is--a fabric container for tools that rolls up...)

Oh well, enjoy whatever you end up choosing. :)

Neat. I did not know that. Looks pretty cool too.

I've actually made a number of tool rolls. Very useful things!

I hope to enjoy it!

Al Criner 09-12-13 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 16052295)
Who makes a 4 pound saddle?

The Brooks "Team Professional" -- my preferred saddle for distance riding -- tips the scales at 530gm. That is much more than the popular carbon fiber shingles often used for saddles these days, but if it means I can ride all day without discomfort I don't mind.

The links in the OP's post show a saddle that looks like a copy of the Brooks B-33. Brooks lists that saddle at 1600 grams - about 3.5 lbs. I just thought that seemed like overkill for a 5 mile commute in Pennsylvania.

himespau 09-12-13 10:06 AM

I don't have any experience with their sprung saddles, but I do have a little experience with the non-sprung Gyes saddles sold by crowcycleco.com for about half-2/3 the cost of a brooks and have found them to be quite serviceable. Sure that's stretching into the used Brooks price range, but it's a saddle when you want it in a couple of different color options without spending the time scouring other sources and hoping to find something.


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