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Old 11-05-13, 11:55 AM   #1
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does cycling wear provide protection in a whipe out?

I'm wondering why anyone wears it.
I'm thinking there should be cycle wear with protective padding, kind of like knee-pads and elbow pads, that would protect you from road rash. Its placing could be based on road rash statistics collected from cyclists.
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Old 11-05-13, 12:06 PM   #2
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Helmet and gloves provide the main crash protection.
Most anti-abrasion materials are too rigid to be used in lycra style road cycling gear. A good solution is to wear 2 layers so the outer layer slides over the inner layer.
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Old 11-05-13, 12:12 PM   #3
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Gloves certainly do. Shorts and jerseys may help a little against road rash when skidding. I know that you aren't allowed to go sleeveless on road races and I believe that's one of the reasons.

As far as wearing arm and knee pads while riding, maybe while doing downhill mountain bike racing. I wouldn't think it would help much in road riding. Seems that the sides of legs, arms, and shoulders get bloodied the most. My worse road rash was on my back.

I've seen people wearing elbow and knee pads while riding. The word 'fred' doesn't do them justice. Plus how often do you plan on crashing? It's been over 10K miles since I last hit the tarmac while riding. Dang! Now I've jinxed myself.
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There's a gel-like material called D3O going into some cycling garb.
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Old 11-05-13, 12:21 PM   #5
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I've seen people wearing elbow and knee pads while riding. The word 'fred' doesn't do them justice.
I don't care about how I look on my bicycle.

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A good solution is to wear 2 layers so the outer layer slides over the inner layer.
That's not an option when it's warm out.

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There's a gel-like material called D3O going into some cycling garb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D3o
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Old 11-05-13, 12:26 PM   #6
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Old 11-05-13, 12:33 PM   #7
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D3O stays soft and flexible with you when you move it in a normal manner, yet when it is introduced to any form of impact the offshoots lock together and become hard within a 1,000th of a second [within one millisecond] to absorb and spread the force, significantly reducing the effect of impact.
This transformation is possible due to the way these unique molecules move with each other. When the material is being moved at low speed it is soft and flexible, because the bond between the molecules is not that strong, so they can slip past each other. Yet when the material is asked to move quickly by a sudden hard force the molecules re-arrange themselves in a very structured way and create proper hydrogen bonds. So in other words, when you impact the molecules they do not have time to move and they quickly lock into position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D3o
So it's like the kinetic energy causes D3o to freeze rather than expand. How odd.

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Event specific would help.. hockey or figure skating?

Downhill and dual slalom MTB racers buy and use padding, roadies dont. [other than gloves and helmets]
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I wear elbow and knee pads when I'm mountain biking, not road commuting. If you're crashing on the pavement a lot, change your technique.
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One important skill is to learn to roll or tumble rather than slide. Some time ago I went over the bars at a relatively low speed, maybe 12-15 mph, thanks to a collision with a big dog (dog unhurt and still wanted to play). I landed on my hands with my elbows bent, tucked my head and did a shoulder roll, almost coming back to a standing position (that would have looked cool if I could have stood up out of the roll and walked away, but I'm not that coordinated). Both palms were bruised and the wrists sore, but other than that, absolutely no damage to my body nor clothing, just some dirt marks that washed out, didn't even scratch the helmet. My hands would have been burger without good gloves. The bike ended up with more scuffs than I did. I know that rolling/tumbling isn't always an option but when possible, it distributes the force and reduces the amount of clothing/hide that gets ground off.

When touring, cycling for recreation, or just out solo, I often wear jean shorts over cycling shorts, which should add some abrasion resistance over the hips, but I've never had occassion to try that out.
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[h=2]does cycling wear provide protection in a whipe out?[/h]
No, not the roadie getups anyway. FWIW I've gotten road rash inside a leather jacket (motorcycling).

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There's a gel-like material called D3O going into some cycling garb.
That's intriguing. Do you recall who the distributor is?
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Old 11-05-13, 03:11 PM   #12
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So it's like the kinetic energy causes D3o to freeze rather than expand. How odd.

There is another one that do exactly that : corn starch as do most non-newtonian fluids
When you move corn starch at low speed it is soft, at high speed it harden

A fun experiment to do

[video=youtube;3zoTKXXNQIU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zoTKXXNQIU[/video]


For what i know bulletproof vests are made of a hard outer layer and a fluffy one inside to help spread the impact on a bigger surface.
Give an idea on how to layer

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Old 11-05-13, 03:25 PM   #13
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Six Six One has some 3Do stuff but mostly sold out last I checked.
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Old 11-06-13, 02:07 AM   #14
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I'm wondering why anyone wears it.
I'm thinking there should be cycle wear with protective padding, kind of like knee-pads and elbow pads, that would protect you from road rash. Its placing could be based on road rash statistics collected from cyclists.
1. How often do you crash?

2. Are you wondering why cyclists wear cycling clothing?
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I've gotten scraped hands when there was not a hole in the glove above the scrape, and scraped side-hip when my shorts did not get a hole in them. IE, you can get scraped up pretty good through your clothing.
Cycling clothing is handy because it doesn't flap in the breeze and doesn't soak up moisture like cotton and does provide some saddle padding. Gloves help keep sweating hands from slipping and pad your hands a bit. It's not all intended for wrecking.
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When you cycle eventually you will crash. The question is not if you will crash, ut when...

As mentioned above, the main protections for typical riders are gloves and helmets. I know personally how my hands can feel after a spill when I wasn't wearing gloves.

Perhaps some day, if safety issues other than head injuries get attention, or someone figures out a way to successfully market their whiz bang safety items, I suspect that we will see more items designed for safety.
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That's not an option when it's warm out.
People wear two layers in hot weather all the time. Base Layer + jersey.

If you think a base layer is going to make you too hot to ride, I can't imagine how you're going to arrange pads to provide the protection you're seeking.
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You can do the testing on that one, I'll pass.
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Old 11-06-13, 03:50 PM   #19
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I'm more worried about falling in the tub or on stairs than on the bike. Granted, I'm more of a utility cyclist rather than racer or mountain biker.

I usually wear a helmet, but that's just because it's a great place to mount the mirror.
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Old 11-07-13, 04:35 AM   #20
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Gloves... helmet optional, everything else heals. Hands, especially the palms are the one of the hardest places on the body to repair if you trash the skin due to a variety of reasons.

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This thread reminded me of this guy...

"Posers" wear cycling clothes, true cyclists wear full body armor!!
http://www.alpinicycling.com/cycling-ability-levels/
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Old 11-07-13, 08:45 AM   #22
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Most forms of cycling are relatively tame in comparison with something where body armour is frequently used like DH.
The trade off being your comfort with safety. In my opinion, the occasional crash is no big deal. Live a little.
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