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Old 11-12-13, 10:02 PM   #1
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I have a definite opinion about this guy....do you?....

I saw this ad on craigslist and could not believe what this jerk did......

"Did you lose a trek Bontrager?

Recently i was approached by a can bum with a buggy full of **** and he had a Trek bontrager frame no wheels no pedals but
it had a cable lock that was very neatly cut the bike is in excellent condition,but i know it has to be somebodys who is missing it i
waited till he went in a liquer store and just took it and carted it home 3miles good thing its ultra lite so if you can tell me the color
and frame size and maybe the combination of lock hopefully you will get your ride back.Its been
7 or 8 months since i ran the ad if not claimed by 12-25-2013 i will sell it after posting legal notice

Karma is a ***** Gregg"



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Old 11-12-13, 10:19 PM   #2
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You're assuming the can bum had stolen the bike?

Have you stopped to consider that maybe he was given it by the owner to get rid of it?

Have you considered that maybe you stole the bike from the guy?

Why didn't you turn it into the police if you suspected it was missing from someone?
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Stole a bike from a homeless person? That is LOW man.
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This has to be one of the weirder threads I've read on BF . . . .
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I think you did the wrong thing by jumping to conclusions based on assumptions. You assumed just because he's a bum and was carrying a nice bike that it can't possibly be his. Granted, the obvious clues of a stolen bike are there but if I was you in that situation, I would have minded my own business. You're not a cop. You shouldn't have stole it because you think it's right thing to do. If you suspected the bike is stolen, you could have reported it and left it as that. You, however, stole it, ran an ad and once no one responds to it, you profited from it by selling it. There are many reasons why the bum was carrying the bike and stealing it might not have been one of them. Let me ask you a question. What if a cop happens to drive by when you stole the bike from the bum when he went into the liquor store? Good luck explaining that to the cop. Now you are in possession of stolen property and unless you're the original owner, you're in trouble regardless what you say to the cop.
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Assuming you are correct and the frame is stolen..... selling stolen property is a serious crime. Even if the supposed homeless guy didn't steal it.... you didn't have permission to take it.... so you can be positive it IS stolen. You do NOT have the authority to proclaim stolen property as UN-stolen.

The frame must be surrendered to the police.
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"Did you lose a trek Bontrager?

Recently i was approached by a can bum with a buggy full of **** and he had a Trek bontrager frame no wheels no pedals but
it had a cable lock that was very neatly cut the bike is in excellent condition,but i know it has to be somebodys who is missing it i
waited till he went in a liquer store and just took it and carted it home 3miles good thing its ultra lite so if you can tell me the color
and frame size and maybe the combination of lock hopefully you will get your ride back.Its been
7 or 8 months since i ran the ad if not claimed by 12-25-2013 i will sell it after posting legal notice

Karma is a ***** Gregg"

as found on craigslist
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1. For everyone that has berated the OP for taking the frame, pay attention to the very last bit- which I have quoted and highlighted (also note the quotation marks)- this is a CL ad that the OP found and is sharing, so y'all need to direct your outrage accordingly.
2. "Trek Bontrager frame"...doesn't exist AFAIK. Trek makes the frames, Bontrager is their private label for components.
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I am reading it as an ad he found on craigslist, at least I hope so. If not, the op is a thief!
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Nomad, you responded at the same time I did, but our reading comprehension was the same.
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I should have been clearer. This NOT my ad. This is on craigslist and I copied it.

My sentiments are the same. The guy is a thief.
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dude is probably the original thief, and is concocting a story about the homeless guy to justify why he has that bike frame. probably sold the components, and now wants to sell the frame and just wants a little cover.
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Two things:

1. For everyone that has berated the OP for taking the frame, pay attention to the very last bit- which I have quoted and highlighted (also note the quotation marks)- this is a CL ad that the OP found and is sharing, so y'all need to direct your outrage accordingly.
2. "Trek Bontrager frame"...doesn't exist AFAIK. Trek makes the frames, Bontrager is their private label for components.
Let's get something quite clear here... the original post in its unedited form didn't appear to be anything other than a post by the BF member. I note that the original post has now been edited for clarity over seven hours after the thread was started.

Jump on us if you like, but get your facts right before doing so, huh?

Having said that, yeah, Thumpic's not the guilty party here. But what can you expect from craigslist?
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Bontrager branded mtb frames are very light, well made mid/late 90's I believe. Could be Trek 930's with Tange Infinity?

CL poster is wrong to have stolen it, and wrong again for selling it since it was "obviously" stolen.
A skewed sense of right and wrong he has.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Stealing money from a bank robber doesn't make it suddenly ok to keep.
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Suppose you met a homeless guy with a bike frame that he claims he found in the trash. He offers to sell it to you but it looks like it might be stolen. What is the right thing to do?

A. Call the cops on a homeless guy who very well could have just picked it up off the trash
B. Just let the homeless guy walk off with a bike that might be important to someone
C. Buy the bike and turn it into the cops who won't even bother to see if the serial number is reported and will tell you to just throw it away or they may even arrest you for receiving stolen goods?
D. Buy the bike and make a good faith effort to get it back to its original owner by posting it up on craigslist?

It isn't obvious to me that the answer isn't D.
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selling stolen property is a serious crime.

Tell that to the cops who sell recovered stolen bikes without ever first notifying the public that they have said stolen bikes in their position. I'm pretty sure the cops around here have sold a couple of my bikes, one of which was reported stolen.
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Tell that to the cops who sell recovered stolen bikes without ever first notifying the public that they have said stolen bikes in their position. I'm pretty sure the cops around here have sold a couple of my bikes, one of which was reported stolen.
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.... You do NOT have the authority to proclaim stolen property as UN-stolen.
The courts however.... do. In my part of the world we elect our municipal Judges. I'd petition the court for reimbursement. Apparently the court failed to exercise the supervisory role the police required.
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Suppose you met a .. guy with a bike frame ..... He offers to sell it to you but it looks like it might be stolen. You Buy the bike
By removing the extra words... and only adding the word you.... I outlined what I believe is called "receiving stolen merchandise". Never a good idea... or ever legal... anywhere.
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By removing the extra words... and only adding the word you.... I outlined what I believe is called "receiving stolen merchandise". Never a good idea... or ever legal... anywhere.
IANAL but:

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...tolen+Property :
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Receiving stolen property is defined by statute in most states. Generally it consists of four elements: (1) the property must be received; (2) it must have been previously stolen; (3) the person receiving the property must know it was stolen; and (4) the receiver must intend to deprive the owner of his or her property.
In my hypothetical neither (3) nor (4) would be satisfied and (2) was ambiguous.

The law also says lots of things that are not always the right thing to do.
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It would be hilarious if the bum came back to press charges.
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Let's get something quite clear here... the original post in its unedited form didn't appear to be anything other than a post by the BF member. I note that the original post has now been edited for clarity over seven hours after the thread was started.

Jump on us if you like, but get your facts right before doing so, huh?

Having said that, yeah, Thumpic's not the guilty party here. But what can you expect from craigslist?
Oh, I had my facts straight from the get go, mate.

In my first post in this thread, which is the 7th overall, I quoted the OP in its entirety and the only modification I did to it was the highlighting of the last sentence- which I claimed to do in that post. The OP was edited (in an attempt to clarify), but that was after I had quoted it and the Thread starter posted that it was indeed a CL ad that he copy and pasted.
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Oh, I had my facts straight from the get go, mate.

In my first post in this thread, which is the 7th overall, I quoted the OP in its entirety and the only modification I did to it was the highlighting of the last sentence- which I claimed to do in that post. The OP was edited (in an attempt to clarify), but that was after I had quoted it and the Thread starter posted that it was indeed a CL ad that he copy and pasted.
Nomad is correct, we both posted prior to the edited version. The first version was very vague, could have been read as he was the thief, except for that last little piece "found on craigslist."
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IANAL but: In my hypothetical neither (3) nor (4) would be satisfied and (2) was ambiguous.
The law also says lots of things that are not always the right thing to do.
At first my thoughts were I wish I had your ability to rationalize. But... in retrospect I am really glad I can't think that way. In my youth I knew people [who I called friends] that could say: "But you can't PROVE"... I knew this or did that... always learned later about the reasonable doubt clause.

Rarely... does anyone go to jail or even pay a fine for stupid indiscretions. But handing over a couple months take home pay to a lawyer to remind the authorities of rights.... isn't like walking away Scott-free ether.

There are plenty of stolen bicycles and bicycle parts out there.... and an ENDLESS number of people who can rationalize why it would OK for them to add your bicycle and/or parts the mess. Chumming around with bicycle thieves... isn't what I'd recommend. But I am sure you know better. .

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At first my thoughts were I wish I had your ability to rationalize. But... in retrospect I am really glad I can't think that way. In my youth I knew people [who I called friends] that could say: "But you can't PROVE"... I knew this or did that... always learned later about the reasonable doubt clause.

Rarely... does anyone go to jail or even pay a fine for stupid indiscretions. But handing over a couple months take home pay to a lawyer to remind the authorities of rights.... isn't like walking away Scott-free ether.

There are plenty of stolen bicycles and bicycle parts out there.... and an ENDLESS number of people who can rationalize why it would OK for them to add your bicycle and/or parts the mess. Chumming around with bicycle thieves... isn't what I'd recommend. But I am sure you know better. .
Buying the bike and simply keeping it wasn't one of the options I gave. I'm literally trying to understand what you all think the best option would have been. Which of the other options do you support and why?
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..... I'm literally trying to understand what you all think the best option would have been. Which of the other options do you support and why?
When buying anything outside of the normal retail environment you are required by good conscience AND the law... to exhibit reasonable suspicion. In other words... if you get the impression that something "might" be stolen you are required to satisfy those suspicions... or walk away.

Said in another way. Buying off ebay, CL, the local want ads, or some guy in an alley or flea market doesn't free you from the responsibly of making sure the crap isn't HOT.
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When buying anything outside of the normal retail environment you are required by good conscience AND the law... to exhibit reasonable suspicion. In other words... if you get the impression that something "might" be stolen you are required to satisfy those suspicions... or walk away.
So you think it is better to let the homeless person sell what you suspect to be somebody else's bike to some other person and not do your best to try to get it to the original owner?
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