Even though I've been a consistent and avid cyclist (Road, mountain, touring) for 30 years, I still find that i can only do a long day in the saddle if I wear some thin gel pad shorts. The only ones I've found that aren't too thick are the Novara Metro gel shorts mens. It seems that REI no longer carries them for men, just the woman's version. Does anybody know of a riding short with a thin gel pad? The thicker pads are like riding a soft saddle - they get really hot and promote friction.