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Old 02-09-14, 03:32 AM   #51
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Old 02-09-14, 06:06 AM   #52
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I would guess that people have different priorities.

My total bike collection (over 30) cost much less than my BIL's Porsche, not to mention his fancy pants 4x4 pickup truck that he thinks he needs because it snows twice a year. To each their own. I don't see the point in a $5,000+usd carbon fiber wonder bike that is going to be destroyed the first time you crash at speed. But then again people that buy those don't see how I can ride a 50# city bike with ONLY 8 speeds. The joke at my LBS is that Aaron buys bikes by the pound, the heavier they are the less they cost I have a few lighter weight steel frame bikes from the 1970's and 1980's that I will be riding for another 30+ years, if the engine holds out.

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Old 02-09-14, 07:38 AM   #53
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In the end, I think that it all comes down to the fun factor.

What's up with all this justification of how much a single bike, car, boat or set of golf clubs costs? Whatever your toy of choice, have fun while you can because sooner or later, we'll all be gone and nobody will care anymore. If there's some frustrated CPAs who get enjoyment fretting over this kind of stuff, I apologize because I'm OK with that too. The last check out of my bank account is going to the undertaker and it's going to bounce.
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Old 02-09-14, 10:39 AM   #54
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The lady at the garage sale I mentioned in the previous post who asked about adding an electric motor to a trike has to be at least 30 years younger than I. She was noticeably overweight but not obese. She lives in an area where she could ride a bike for miles without encountering any serious hills - nothing more than a few hundred feet in a half mile. I think she thought riding a trike would be fun and exercise but really didn't want much of the latter. Sadly, that's the attitude of many Americans. It would be nice to weigh less but not if it takes any effort. That's why so many go on crazy diets or buy "nutritional supplements" that are advertised to "burn fat" with no effort. You do get lighter but only a little, the weight of the money it extracted from your wallet.
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Old 02-09-14, 10:45 AM   #55
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I can't help but notice that many boaters seem to be imbibing along the way. That would be like having a tallboy beer can in your water bottle cage.
You must know some of the guys I occasionally ride with. They have been known to do that.
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Old 02-09-14, 11:50 AM   #56
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The lady at the garage sale I mentioned in the previous post who asked about adding an electric motor to a trike has to be at least 30 years younger than I. She was noticeably overweight but not obese. She lives in an area where she could ride a bike for miles without encountering any serious hills - nothing more than a few hundred feet in a half mile. I think she thought riding a trike would be fun and exercise but really didn't want much of the latter.
I'm very willing to believe this interpretation.

We do apparently have a different definition of serious hills. "A few hundred feet in a half mile" would be 600 feet in a mile which is an average grade of better than 11%. I would, at the very least, notice sush a hil.

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Old 02-09-14, 12:49 PM   #57
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When people are griping about price and are firmly convinced that all they need is a $100-200 bike, stop pushing bikes. They will get ill fitting crap and then hate it. Talk to him about a gym membership instead. My guess is that he will gripe about the price of that, too. So, save your breath. bk

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Old 02-09-14, 01:27 PM   #58
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The lady at the garage sale may be like several women my wife has run into at her gym. They are there for a "workout" that does not cause any sweating. My wife asked someone on staff about this and was told there are always some who never want to sweat. They both had a good laugh. bk
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Old 02-09-14, 03:22 PM   #60
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With a little looking around, you can find a decent new bike in the $350-$400 range. Not fancy or particular light & *****en, but a bike that'll last for more years than I have left. Good used bikes that need minimal work or on Craigslist for around $100-$200.

That's still too much for some folk. There is no understanding of quality among non-bike riders. Had to explain to a guy trying to sell me his Roadmaster that if it were free, I wouldn't take it. Nothing on the bike was worth saving except the reflectors.

If I ever buy a new bike, I'm going to expect to pay around $1,200-$1,400. It's life span will be measured in decades.
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Old 02-09-14, 04:45 PM   #61
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Good used bikes that need minimal work or on Craigslist for around $100-$200.
I must have the worst timing in the world. I never see bikes priced at this amount, unless they are utter crap. I have much better luck at garage sales in nice neighborhoods.
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Old 02-09-14, 05:27 PM   #62
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Old 02-09-14, 07:30 PM   #63
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That's still too much for some folk. There is no understanding of quality among non-bike riders. Had to explain to a guy trying to sell me his Roadmaster that if it were free, I wouldn't take it. Nothing on the bike was worth saving except the reflectors.

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whenever I stop at a yard sale I ask if they have any old bikes laying around. You never know, and I have picked up some decent garage queen dust collectors that way. But way more often, they say oh yeah, and dig out a Nexus, or roadmaster, or wally world mongoose.
It really goes to show that the average person has no idea, as they cannot see the difference between that and whatever fairly classy looking bike I am on.(I usually come back in my van if they do have something nice)
Someday all this will pay off, and some person will offer me a pile of BSO's that includes an old lenton or DL1 or some such. That is the only way I would ever buy a BSO.
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Old 02-09-14, 08:20 PM   #64
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Old 02-10-14, 01:16 AM   #65
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I flipped a Schwinn Clear creek hybrid, a Dyno cruiser & a KHS MTB. If any one of these was the only bike I'd ever ridden, I would never have ridden a bike again. Awful & antifun machines. Found a beat up Firmstrong beach cruiser in the alley. Another cheap horrible bike, worse than the others. It was a fun ride. It would have been a bike to keep for quick runs to the store or slow rides to the beach.

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Old 02-10-14, 08:49 AM   #66
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A good used bent or trike might be in order. Altho used, most bents are of good quality.

The other thing I have often posted on cycling forums, is the fact if you buy a bent, you dont have to buy a bunch of high priced clothes to protect you from the bike. The t-shirts and rugby shorts I wear are cheap. Generally the only other cost for riding a bent may be shoes.

Another thing if a person wants to start exercising and has decided to bike, a bent is probably the best way to go. A bent will not leave you sore!!! I see so many people buy a DF bike, and because they are not used to riding a bike, it leaves them with at least a sore rump and maybe other parts of their body. So they just give up.
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Old 02-10-14, 01:01 PM   #67
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A good used bent or trike might be in order. Altho used, most bents are of good quality.

The other thing I have often posted on cycling forums, is the fact if you buy a bent, you dont have to buy a bunch of high priced clothes to protect you from the bike. The t-shirts and rugby shorts I wear are cheap. Generally the only other cost for riding a bent may be shoes.

Another thing if a person wants to start exercising and has decided to bike, a bent is probably the best way to go. A bent will not leave you sore!!! I see so many people buy a DF bike, and because they are not used to riding a bike, it leaves them with at least a sore rump and maybe other parts of their body. So they just give up.
Nothing against bents, but fear of soreness wasn't this guy's problem. I think it was a fear that to get the benefits of regular exercise he was going to have to actually exercise. Because my first big chunk of weight came off fairly quickly, I think he was hoping I'd tell him that he could buy a bargain bin bike and tool around the country roads a bit while the pounds magically melted off. When he found out that I actually had to watch what I ate very carefully and rode 1,200 miles that first summer, he lost interest. I believe he is using "wasting" money on even a used or entry level bike as an excuse. Honestly, if he was really interested, cost wouldn't be a major factor as I'd guess he spends more than the price of a new or used entry level bike on his average 3-day weekend fishing trips.

BTW, you don't need a bunch of high priced clothes to protect you from a diamond framed bike. When I started I rode a lot in jean shorts over athletic briefs (about $8 each at WalMart or Target) and only had minor backside soreness. My legs were always more tired and sore than my rump. I still ride 20-50+ miles in recreational summer wear like t-shirts and trekking shorts without the benefit of chamois or jersey pockets, on a regular basis. The only thing I won't ride in is cotton tidy whities, but that has more to do with sweat than soreness. I never have understood the individuals who swear you will rub yourself bloody raw and lose your man parts if you don't ride in a $150 set of bibs slathered in Monkey Butt Grease. I've done a century on a 95-100+ degree day wearing an inexpensive wicking t-shirt and trekking shorts over $35 liner shorts with a thin chamois, and my backside to saddle interface was no problem (running out of water in the middle of nowhere was a different story, lesson learned). You can see what I wore at the Headwaters 100 through Itasca State Park in 2012. The only cycling specific clothes were the hat and the shoes. No those aren't MTB shorts, they are Wranger trekking shorts from Wally World.

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I never have understood the individuals who swear you will rub yourself bloody raw and lose your man parts if you don't ride in a $150 set of bibs slathered in Monkey Butt Grease.
I rode hundreds of miles in cheaper cycling shorts until one day the planets aligned and I got chafed. Let me tell you it is not a fun experience to start getting rubbed raw when you're halfway through a 4-5 hour ride. I went out and bought some butt'r the next day and save my cheaper shorts for short rides now.
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That would be like having a tallboy beer can in your water bottle cage.
Ain't nothing wrong with that...This would be my typical Friday post ride energy drink. Maybe try showing your friend this site:
http://drunkcyclist.com/

And set him up with a $300-400 bikesdirect ride.
Send him to this site also:

http://chicksandbikes.blogspot.com/
or the corresponding FB site.

Perhaps you just need to try a new angle...there's so many ways and styles to bike, maybe you just need to expand his mind.
Girls, booze, and bikes...what could be more 'Merican???
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Or running shoes, for that matter. A good bicycle can last a lifetime; running shoes maybe a single season.
My bike has lasted over 20 years and counting. Might have problems next time the gears need work but on an investment level it comes out to less than 2 bottles of wine a year. (well really good wine, but with the wine club discount).
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Tell him to go buy a hybrid at PerformanceBike

Really once I noticed that people spend $1000 on golf clubs and other things I realized spending $1000 on a bicycle or say......a pair of headphones that will last you a lifetime and give you tons of musical enjoyment, isn't a big deal at all.

How much does a car owner spend in a year on just that?
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And set him up with a $300-400 bikesdirect ride.
Since he's not likely to assemble it himself (and the OP probably shouldn't offer to do it for him), he'd have to pay a shop to do it. A BD bike might not be a good idea in this case.
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The real problem is that it takes two or more steps before one gets a decent bike. When "just trying it to see", most won't buy in the $1K+ range. So, it's an entry level bike for $300.00. If you take to it, a year or two later you're faced with some issues. Time to upgrade? To what? And how much?

Then the sticker shock hits you. So you think about it, save up some money and wait for the one you really want to go on sale. Never mind that you can't believe how much you just spent on a bike. But you really like it and it becomes part of the cost of living. Besides, it's a healthy thing.

It would be nice to borrow a used entry level bike from a friend while we figure all this out. But no, life doesn't work out that well very often. So, it's a problem. bk
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Since he's not likely to assemble it himself (and the OP probably shouldn't offer to do it for him), he'd have to pay a shop to do it. A BD bike might not be a good idea in this case.
Not just no, but OH HELL NO!
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