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Old 05-30-02, 09:33 AM   #26
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Speaking for myself, I couldn't care what anyone wears on the bike as long as they're on the bike.

I have no problem riding with a guy in the Yellow Jersey if he can ride.

I have a certain fondness for team strip myself, and I'm thinking of buying some jerseys of obscure or defunct teams.

That's be like walking around with a replical Olympic gold medal around your neck.
To mke matters worse, a lot of these guys seem to have no idea what these jerseys mean. and I think that's sad

Hell, there's a guy in the neighbourhood who wears full Gan strip, another in an old Liquigas jacket and one of my buddies has a vintage Systeme-U jersey. I think that's cool.

not insulting, but sad.
But do tell, how is this hypocritical?
You wrote this stuff, you can't tell?
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You know what? This is a great attitude and I wish alot more people would really adopt this point of view- not just because it happens to agree with my own--but because it will make cycling grow in America and is simply good for the sport and recreation of cycling.
If someone watches the TDF and says, "Hey, maybe I can do that!"; buys a Malliot Jaune and Trek fiber bike; falls over trying to clip out; and meets some riders--which is going to benefit cycling more?
A. Telling him how inappropriate or "sad" his purchasing choice is or showing him that attitude.
B. Telling him how great this sport is and all about it.
C. Seeing that he obviously likes pro cycling and strike up a conversation about it.

Safe bet that B or C will go a long way in keeping someone in the sport or activity of cycling. Even if it is a more experienced rider that simply likes a jersey or is a fan of a team, who cares? All this stuff is officially licensed merchandise. If it is OK with TREK and the UCI, IOC, USCF and TDF than who am I to say anything? Besides the fact I find it "gauche" and tacky to even make judgements about someone based on their jersey or bike.
Bicycles are one of the few "objects of desire" that the average johnny punchclock can actually buy top-of-the-line. That is wonderfully democratic in what can be a very elitist sport.

And, yes, in almost any category race, team gear is allowed. It is not allowed in elite races.


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Good points RacerX, if a little more, uh, directly put than i might have. I have no problem with anything anyone wants to wear. Hey, we're all just out having fun. Last year I was really impressed with little Julio Perez in the Giro. I really liked the colors of the Panaria jersey, too, so I picked one up when I saw it on sale. Glad I did; they are not as colorful this year. I also have some EDS and Superdrome.com team apparel that I picked up from a guy who raced for them for years. He just had too much stuff that had been issued over the years.

Part of my homeward commute is along the lakefront where the racers like to train. When I first started commuting about a year and a half ago it seemed like no one would return my waves. Maybe from having seen me time and again, still waving like the village idiot, most people return my waves now.

Isn't it funny that millions of people wear their favorite pro basketball and football team jersey of popular players (how many Bulls jerseys have you seen with 23 on the back? No one accuses them of being poseurs. I doubt if Lance Armstrong considers everyone who wears a USPS jersey a poseur. He is probably flattered.

Interesting, the inimitable "Style Man" in last months Bicycling addressed this. Even HE, the end all and be all of cycling style, said feel free to wear USPS jersey in a club ride or as a spectator, but to wear it in a race is very UNstylish. Now what greater authority is there? I would say that's the final word, wouldn't you?
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Old 05-30-02, 10:34 AM   #28
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Bicycles are one of the few "objects of desire" that the average johnny punchclock can actually buy top-of-the-line. That is wonderfully democratic in what can be a very elitist sport.
I'm not sure what planet you live on, here on earth few clock punchers can afford a $3700.00 bike.
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Old 05-30-02, 11:10 AM   #29
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If someone watches the TDF and says, "Hey, maybe I can do that!"; buys a Malliot Jaune and Trek fiber bike; falls over trying to clip out; and meets some riders--which is going to benefit cycling more?
A. Telling him how inappropriate or "sad" his purchasing choice is or showing him that attitude.
B. Telling him how great this sport is and all about it.
C. Seeing that he obviously likes pro cycling and strike up a conversation about it.
If he was just getting into cycling and actually bought a carbon fiber bike + fancy jersey I would defently tell him that his purchase was quite inapporpiate.

Why? Because a beginner wouldn't need that whole ****e. He could have gotten a $1000 instead, but by paying $4000 it shows that he does not grab the concept that he is the one going to be pedaling, no matter what his damn bike is made of or how much it costs.

You make it sound like anyone can just go out and dish out some money, get the accessories and suddenly go into the path of "pro cycling". Becoming a professional in any sport, not just cylcing, takes a LOT LOT more long term planning and dedication than just the guy giving into his fuzzy craving to look like a pro.

It shows that one day he saw the pros, and he said, "cool I want to do that too. Hey, I'll go flush $5000, and I'll look exactly like them. I bet pros can ride 5 hours a day at high speeds just because they have an expensive bike. Pffft, I can do that easily"

If someone gets into this sport just for the hell of looking like that, then frankly, I believe they are in the sport for the wrong reasons. I won't give a rat's ass if they get discouraged from the attitude they are gonna get from other people. The chances are they'd probably give up after a month anyways when they realize there is this thing called "pain" involved.

Some things are earned not bought. It bowls down to them looking like posers. And I don't care if it's right or not, but I can't stand posers. They rub me the wrong way, and its the same for most other people. Yeah, posers aren't hurting anyone, but I'm not one to tolerate them.
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Old 05-30-02, 12:18 PM   #32
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which is going to benefit cycling more?
A. Telling him how inappropriate or "sad" his purchasing choice is or showing him that attitude.
B. Telling him how great this sport is and all about it.
C. Seeing that he obviously likes pro cycling and strike up a conversation about it.
"C" is interesting, since I'd be willing to wager that anyone wearing the yellow jersey who didn't earn it probably doesn't know anything about the sport at all beyond the name of Lance Armstrong. The problem with the sport of cycling in America, and the reason why replica yellow jerseys have no benefit one way or another, is because that's about as deep as his interest probably goes.

On the other hand, it really doesn't matter either way, does it? Like I said, wearing a replica yellow jersey is gauche... like wearing sneakers with a suit, a striped tie with a striped shirt, white after labour day, that kind of thing. It has import informed by the traditions of the sport, of course, but no mre than that.

So wear your yellow jersey, RacerX; you're not harming or benefitiig the sport one way or another, though you might look like a hick.
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Old 05-30-02, 04:52 PM   #33
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I don't wear other pro team gear. I wear my team's gear.

I don't care what other people wear and don't make judgements based on it. People can and do buy whatever they want. Some people are huge cycling fans and want to buy everything that has to do with a certain team.
That does not make them poseurs, unless you are also calling half the people that posted in this thread a poseur.
Put someone down because they can afford high-end stuff? And yes, $3000 is in the reach of many, many cyclists. Many have more that 2x that sitting in their garage in the form of bikes and equipment. Compare that to high-end toys like...cars or motorcycles, boats... it's within reach like no other mode of transportation. You can easily buy high end bikes for $1500-$2000.

People are actually getting worked up about seeing someone riding a $3k bike? Why don't they "deserve" it? maybe you should call Trek and ask them to sell only to elite racers because they have no problem selling to whomever wants to buy. Lance doesn't have a problem with it. As a matter of fact, he wants you to buy his old stuff, Trek's new stuff and usps stuff. Maybe you should take it up with him.
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People are actually getting worked up about seeing someone riding a $3k bike?
Man, you are amusing. I have competed with teams and trained with pros and only once seen a cyclist with a garage full of expensive toys. I don't mind watching people blow a little smoke out of their butt, however, you persist and it is irritating. Sorry man, i've enjoyed your other posts.
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In fact, I'm quite happy when I see someone riding a $3,000 bike. It means that some local bike shop has made a good sale and is that much closer to staying in the black.

As for replica yellow jerseys, world champion jerseys and whatnot. Doesn't bother me at all... no more than it bothers me to see someone wearing a replica Medal of Honor ribbon, who didn't ear it, or someone who wears a Superbowl champions ring... Like I said, it's sad, gauche and silly, but not much more than that.
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Old 05-30-02, 08:09 PM   #36
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Yet you all are the most petty group of hypocrites I've come across.
Hypocrites are people too.
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hey guys no need to get really fired up, if one wants to wear a team jersey let him wear it,, I think if a person say something negative on another person that is plain and simple"envy" .
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Oscar, I don't think it is "envy" that is causing some people to diss those who wear team jerseys. Some people are just elitists. Live and let live! Sure, you may not "approve" of non-pro wearing team clothing, but that does not mean that you have to dislike/diss the person who does. We all share a passion here, we all love cycling. Some people (me, for example) have a passion not only for the sport, but also for the gear. Hence we have people with multiple bikes (who really needs 3 road bikes?), people with lots of wheels, helmets, etc. Then there are those who wear pro team stuff. It's not any different from those who ride high end bikes. Besides, pro team wear looks very cool.
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"We arrived at the start aboard our team bus, and were graciously greeted by a flurry of fans. It makes what we do out there seem so much more important when you see the number of people there to support you, and the extent to which they admire your work. It truly makes all the difference. And Belgium has some of the greatest fans around. I can't tell you how many people I saw sporting my Domo U.S. Championship jersey. And the number of American flags lining the course was inspirational."
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See, he's a pro, he's from the real team, and he doesn't think wearing his AMERICAN CHAMPION jersey is posing. I'd disagree here, but the point is there is nothign wrong with wearing pro team stuff. I wear it to show my support for pro cycling in general.
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