Last edited by andru0617; 10-29-07 at 01:34 PM. Reason: trying to delete my account
adjustments=twisting thingies....no it's not worth it
hmm...a quick 20 minutes crash course reading a basic mechanics book could teach you all you'll need to know...seriously...you don't even need tools to do that stuff, there are adjusters on the cables themselves.
Depends on how much time you have on your hands and how inclined you are mechanically plus how much you're willing to spend on your own tools.
You gave up ship building then?Originally Posted by lauren
School years were the best days of my life. I used to get caned by middle aged women wearing high heels, stocking and glasses. Now I have to pay for it.
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Adjusting barrel connectors is easy stuff. It's certainly not a bargaining chip if you ask me.Originally Posted by andru0617
Correct: I like brand X more than brand Y.
Uncorrect: i like brand x more then brand y
Nah. Should be about $25 to $30.Originally Posted by lauren
He should be able to save a couple hundred on ebay because he's not getting a warranty. I bought a 2004 Raleigh Supercourse for $655 shipped insured on ebay. The MSRP was $1100. My favorite LBS sold them for between $900 - $1000, i.e. considerable savings.
andru0617, you'll need to be careful with ebay if you're new to this stuff. Caveat Emptor!! You may be best served by going to the LBS.
Last edited by Doctor Morbius; 03-22-05 at 10:28 PM.
Correct: I like brand X more than brand Y.
Uncorrect: i like brand x more then brand y
Lauren...that wasn't the question he asked
Hmmm... been there... done that... got the solder burns to prove it. I personally think that the lifetime service should be the tiebreaker and not necessarily a compensation for pricing. I think the shop should still try and remain competitive with other shops in the area in terms of pricing and then seal the deal with the lifetime adjustment. An LBS near me does exactly that and they've been doing extremely well for themselves.Originally Posted by lauren
You have to ask yourself a few questions first.
How much do I ride? The more you ride, the more adjustments that will be needed.
Am I a good mechanic? Some of us are, some of us should ask for help when screwing in a light bulb.
Do I need to buy tools? If you buy them will you use them? Really?
Do I have a place to do repairs? I do mine in the livivng room. My wife is a lovely woman!
Will I take it in to the shop for adjustments? Are you the type of person to do these things, or will it sit in the garage on your "to do" list for months on end?
And lastly what are free lifetime adjustments?
Good luck and happy riding!
EDIT: If you buy E-bay you might have to give it a tune up, tweek saddle height and angle, stem height, etc. Can you do this yourself? If not, it's off to the LBS, where as you didn't buy the bike from them, you will have to pay for these services.
Last edited by Ziemas; 03-23-05 at 05:14 AM.
For me the lifetime tuneups are worth every penny... lets see in the last 6 months
2 major checks and overhauls after bad accidents
No charge on swapping in all new drivetrain, twice.
Check up every two weeks for minor adjustments.
Training wheelset trued twice no charge.
All under the "free lifetime tuneups"... that is worth the money that I spend more (very little I may add)
Just your average club rider... :)
Paying ... for free adjustments?? What am I missing here?
But no, it's not worth it to pay for anything "lifetime" from any place of business. Ever. What if the place folds. What if you move?
I think he is talking about paying sticker price for a new bike and getting lifetime adjustments as opposed to buying a bike at a discount on e-bay and being left to his own devices.Originally Posted by Machka
Ide go with the LBS. Free adjustments is quite nice. Saves you from buying tools in the future
I love when people that have clearly never worked in an LBS describe exactly what goes on at every LBS. While this varies from shop to shop, and regrettably there are a few wrenches that do the barrel adjuster thing, making such baseless generalizations does no one any favors.
Any wrench worth half his salt doesn't do a tuneup with the barrel adjusters. That is not the point of them being there-they're for adjustments on the fly. If you do so, the customer has much less adjustability when out on the bike. At each of the shops I've worked at, this process was emphatically frowned upon. Truing the wheels, checking and adjusting hubs, bb, headset, etc. is also included. No barrel adjusters there.
To the OP, is it worth it to you to have no warranty whatsoever on the bike/any of its parts? Factor in shipping which is likely to be around $50-$60. How about initial assembly and the adjustments that will be necessary after the bike is shipped? Do you know how to true wheels, because I'll pretty much guarantee you'll need to upon receipt of the bike.
Oh, and Trek doesn't allow their bikes to be sold online...so either you are not getting a new bike, or you're dealing with a shady dealer that is risking termination of their dealer agreement. That auction might even disappear-part of the sales rep's job description involves hunting down dealers selling their product on ebay.
Trek does not honor their warranty on bikes purchased via the internet. I can attest to this personally, as I have dealt with customers that were denied warranty claims for this very reason.
The seller can claim that all he wants, but I've seen Trek in action on this one. What do I know, though, I just turn barrel adjusters at the LBS...
Well I would honestly have to say that about 80% of the people who I have sold bikes to do not know how to perform a basic tume up much less true their own wheels. Therefore lifetime, 30 days or whatever free adjustments is useful to them. When you consider that tune ups can be from say $20 and up if they have it done say 3 times a year over a five year period, that is $300 they have saved. To them it is worth it.
People take their bike to an LBS to service for one of three reasons: They don't feel they have the knowledge to do it themself, they lack the tools to do it themself, or they don't want to take the time to do it themself. If you fall into one of those three categories, lifetime free adjustments sounds like a good deal to me.Originally Posted by andru0617
I can tell you that bike shop owners that I have talked with say that it's a very good sale closing tool and their cost is minimal because very few buyers take advantage of the benefit.
There are a couple repairs that I cannot do myself, like truing the wheels, that I would prefer the LBS do. At least if something goes wrong, I'll have someone other than myself to blame...
One thing not mentioned yet-
andru0617, you said you wanted to get into a cycling 'lifestyle'...
A large part of my cycling lifestyle is the relationship I have established with my friendly LBS.
If your LBS is a first-class operation, with an intelligent and cooperative staff, like mine is-
I say forget about economics for a minute, and think about that 'lifestyle' you want to attain.
There may come a time when you may not need your LBS anymore, but until then,
my suggestion is to treat them as the asset and resource they are...
you might learn a thing or two about bikes in the process.
- and heck, you might even make a friend (and get some deals that way!)
Last edited by * jack *; 03-23-05 at 07:24 AM.
Originally Posted by lauren
That's me! For me it's a question of the value of my time versus money. With a full time job/house/family/ and all of the attendant responsibilities it's hard enough to find the time to do the things I enjoy. The last thing I want to do is spend time wrenching when I could be riding or spending some quality time with my family. I don't mind spending a little more at the LBS if it means less time spent wrenching. There are many things I could do myself that I would rather pay someone else to do just for the convenience of it, and bike maintenance is one of them.
If you enjoy wrenching and have the time, then by all means, have at it, but it's just not for me.
Its like buying a car. Get a lease, and most car dealers will offer free tuneups. To me, thats a deal because I hate cars and hate working on them, so paying the extra makes me feel all warm and fuzzy knowing the car will be kept up to speed.Originally Posted by andru0617
However, for me, fixing a bike is so utterly simple (let alone simple tuneups), I could never justify paying more for someone else to do it. If you dont care to do the work, then thats a good deal for you.
Thats a good deal. I might even consider something like that. But shops here would never offer that much value. Drive trains get wrecked almost constantly. Its the shops bread and butter when they convince someone xtr on a downhill bike is actually worth it hahaOriginally Posted by my58vw
support your local bike shop if you buy a bike on line you will still need to assemble it I also recomend learning to work on your bike itself kill your tv your car and dont trust the government
Holy runon sentence batman.