Thoughts on this video - why do high-end bikes cost so much?
How is it you can have bicycles that cost more than a decent motorcycle?
If you've seen this video, do you think there any fallacies in what he talks about? Bicycle Truth: Weight Scam - True cost of riding - YouTube |
Someone has to pay for all of the freebies that are handed out.
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The Man was Spot On !! :thumb: :thumb: That's something more people need to see.
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Originally Posted by Robert P
(Post 16768087)
How is it you can have bicycles that cost more than a decent motorcycle?
If you've seen this video, do you think there any fallacies in what he talks about? Bicycle Truth: Weight Scam - True cost of riding - YouTube -stated in the first few mins, the video is for recreational cyclists and doesn't apply to racing -then proceeds to compare high end racing bikes to recreational cyclist needs major fallacy right there, pulling examples from outside the stated context/pretence no, I'm not sitting thru 30 mins more when there's already an obvious issue with the argument |
That is the point. 99 percent of the people out there spending their HARD earned money on bikes and equipment don't need most of what is thrown at them just because some weight weenie roadie salesman says so. Nuf Said.
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Originally Posted by yote223
(Post 16768242)
That is the point. 99 percent of the people out there spending their HARD earned money on bikes and equipment don't need most of what is thrown at them just because some weight weenie roadie salesman says so. Nuf Said.
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A rider that does 4000 miles per year, and a 17 mph average, rides 235 hours per year. After 4 years, that's 940 hours. So, writing off the whole cost of a $6000 bike in just 4 years, it's costing $6.38 per hour. Is that worth it to you? Go buy the bike. If not, keep riding your other bike.
Are there posts on car forums about not needing the $5000 package of leather seats, fancy wheels, upgraded sound system, and LED headlights? |
Get the same in Korea. Somehow to be 'serious' you must have a 5000 dollar bike. I disagree. Past 1500-2000 the differences aren't worth it.
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Originally Posted by rm -rf
(Post 16768383)
Are there posts on car forums about not needing the $5000 package of leather seats, fancy wheels, upgraded sound system, and LED headlights?
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Originally Posted by yote223
(Post 16768242)
... 99 percent of the people out there spending their HARD earned money on bikes and equipment don't need ...
The buy the bicycles they want ... because they can. :) |
Who said purchases are - or should be - purely about "need" anyway?
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Originally Posted by xenologer
(Post 16768240)
-stated in the first few mins, the video is for recreational cyclists and doesn't apply to racing
-then proceeds to compare high end racing bikes to recreational cyclist needs major fallacy right there, pulling examples from outside the stated context/pretence |
Originally Posted by Robert P
(Post 16768460)
The short version - what justification is there for *any* bicycle under any circumstances costing more than a motorcycle that has a fuel delivery system, ignition, transmission, water cooling, suspension, etc. etc. - i.e. a far more complex and intricately engineered vehicle with exponentially more material?
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Originally Posted by achoo
(Post 16768506)
Because someone is willing to spend THEIR money on such a bicycle.
And we can do what we want to do. :) |
Originally Posted by Robert P
(Post 16768460)
The short version - what justification is there for *any* bicycle under any circumstances costing more than a motorcycle that has a fuel delivery system, ignition, transmission, water cooling, suspension, etc. etc. - i.e. a far more complex and intricately engineered vehicle with exponentially more material?
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For some reason this reminds me of the high cost of an education and the increasing divide between the haves and the have nots...
"We are privileged simply because we can afford to be privileged"..."Let them eat cake..." Oh boy, here we go again! :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 16768524)
And we can do what we want to do. :)
It's true, bicycles come in a price range that's enormously wide. Everybody gets to choose where in that price range they are comfortable. What I don't get are the skoffers who feel the need to criticize others for their bike price range choice as being either too high or too low. I'd think that if you were really comfortable with your own choice you wouldn't feel compelled to do that. |
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 16768564)
Sounds to me like whining about living in the land of plenty.
It's true, bicycles come in a price range that's enormously wide. Everybody gets to choose where in that price range they are comfortable. What I don't get are the skoffers who feel the need to criticize others for their bike price range choice as being either too high or too low. I'd think that if you were really comfortable with your own choice you wouldn't feel compelled to do that. Sure, we would all like to have the best bike at the top of the line, just like we'd all prefer to eat steak and drink Mango juice, as opposed to just bread and water. The problem lies in the fact that thus far, humans have proven themselves to be far too ignorant, greedy, and corrupt, to address the essential needs of the world's human problems. It's still a dog eat dog world, where only a minority will thrive. |
Class Envy?
Just because the pros ride a $10K bike doesn't mean you have to .. just like there is a VW and a Porsche, car buyer .. |
My first bike was a $99 Huffy [admittedly I was younger].
My second bike was a ~$400 Trek Hybrid that I still ride and love. Looking at maybe getting a cyclocross or a higher end hybrid mostly for the upgraded brakes/wheels/frame but it's certainly not necessary - I will get by just fine on my Trek I have now but I have some money and I really like the way the newer bikes look and the upgraded brakes are a big one for me - the rest is just nice to have. If you think a bike is too expensive the solution is simple -> don't buy it :). |
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 16768564)
Sounds to me like whining about living in the land of plenty.
It's true, bicycles come in a price range that's enormously wide. Everybody gets to choose where in that price range they are comfortable. What I don't get are the skoffers who feel the need to criticize others for their bike price range choice as being either too high or too low. I'd think that if you were really comfortable with your own choice you wouldn't feel compelled to do that. |
$4000 motorcycle???
A Race-ready competition motorcycle can be 10x that. |
Please, no one say they actually watched that whole video? I gave it 5minutes-- mostly because I got distracted picking my toes for a moment-- but nonetheless, 5 minutes, and now I'm angry about it. That narrator was a bore and a nerd. Very unappealing and uninteresting, and I'll tell you what, I'd spend thousands on bike just to be sure no one confuses me with a loser like that.
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Originally Posted by Robert P
(Post 16768460)
The short version - what justification is there for *any* bicycle under any circumstances costing more than a motorcycle that has a fuel delivery system, ignition, transmission, water cooling, suspension, etc. etc. - i.e. a far more complex and intricately engineered vehicle with exponentially more material?
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 16768564)
Sounds to me like whining about living in the land of plenty.
It's true, bicycles come in a price range that's enormously wide. Everybody gets to choose where in that price range they are comfortable. What I don't get are the skoffers who feel the need to criticize others for their bike price range choice as being either too high or too low. I'd think that if you were really comfortable with your own choice you wouldn't feel compelled to do that. |
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