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Old 09-29-14, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Wait! Ya mean to say that all the fine LBS's we hear so much about on BF don't pay all their employees a decent living wage despite their being passionate enough to treat every bike they sell or work on with loving passion? Say it ain't so.
There are 10 LBSs within an hour's drive and NONE of them fail to pile on the obligatory haughtiness and derision for bringing them a bike to work on that wasn't purchased in *their* store. Nevermind my intention to buy accessories there. Nevermind that I was willing to pay their $80/hr for making sure the person that assembled my Walmart bike wasn't having a bad day. No, clearly I came into your store seeking abuse and a condescending attitude.

When LBSs learn customer service and can get off their pedestal to deal with someone that doesn't have the money to drop $1500 on a bike, I'll think about going into an LBS. When an LBS offers lifetime warranty on the frames they sell (some may do, I don't know), I'll think about looking there again. But until then, I'll continue to brush up on my mechanical skills for my own repairs, I'll continue to buy the cheap throw-away bikes Walmart sells. And I'll do so without feeling guilty that another condescending LBS owner folded.

It's all about attitude. I'd rather be left alone than blatantly and obviously ignored or told, "We don't work on those here". If you, as a shop owner, look down your nose at me, as a paying customer, you'll lose that income (as little as it may have been) and you'll never see me or my friends again.
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Originally Posted by Ramona_W
(For the record, it's also my job to put together grills which, as it turns out, were purchased so the one broken piece from the new owner's grill could be replaced with one from the box before the product is returned with the notation "Pieces missing. Could not assemble." No kidding.)
Without knowing what kind of grills you are talking about, I can imagine that might be the only way to repair them or replace a missing part. Years ago there were widespread local industries dedicated to repair and maintenance of appliances, but they have been sent out of business by corporations like Walmart that leverage economies of scale that small businesses have no ability to match. The Walmart model itself doesn't include repair programs to the same degree, because they make their margins on cheap manufactured products which are difficult or costly to repair, but which ironically break easily, the result being landfill, waste and pollution. Kudos to those customers with the ingenuity to hack the system, keep their appliances working longer and degrade the corporation which put them in that situation in the first place.
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Is your integrity worth more than the price of a Walmart BSO? It's still wrong. The type of people that i have seen do that are pretty shady characters...........and usually do it to get money to buy drugs.

Walmart is just good at what they do, be angry at your politicians for letting the floodgates open.
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Walmart is a cancer, and its spreading. I do my best not to feed the beast, far too many people don't have any other choice.
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Originally Posted by Nermal
I guess anything can be justified if you have the right frame of mind. You've got something I want, and you probably don't deserve it, anyway? What can you not rationalize?
,,,,,,,,,, Do you remember that old Sienfeld episode?? the one that deals with diseption , and at the end George says " Remember it's not a lie if you believe it!" that's the situation here......
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Originally Posted by SHBR
Walmart is a cancer, and its spreading. I do my best not to feed the beast, far too many people don't have any other choice.
I noticed you claim to live in China. Thus you are abusing and taking advantage of the cheap chinese labor for your own profit. You wouldn't be there otherwise. So anything and everything you say about Walmart has to be dismissed for the hypocrisy that it is.

So I am assuming you never buy groceries or products anywhere then??? And I assume you own no cellphones because all of them are created by 10 cent an hour labor??? I am also assuming you don't buy from Target, or Whole Foods, or Amazon or any other retailer because they also pay minimum wage and do the same practices as Walmart.

In fact, if you are a business owner, do you not negotiate the prices on your products you buy from your suppliers?

1.2 out of 1.4 million Walmart employees get health insurance through Walmart. I guarantee you the number of LBS employees who are not owners who get health insurance from the LBS is almost zero. A much higher percentage of Walmart employees get health insurance then the percentage of those working at Starbucks do.

So give me a break that Walmart is somehow this evil company... They do the exact same thing other companies do, only they are better at it.

You and your hypocrisy are therefore dismissed.

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Originally Posted by gpsblake
I noticed you claim to live in China. Thus you are abusing and taking advantage of the cheap chinese labor for your own profit. You wouldn't be there otherwise. So anything and everything you say about Walmart has to be dismissed for the hypocrisy that it is.

So I am assuming you never buy groceries or products anywhere then??? And I assume you own no cellphones because all of them are created by 10 cent an hour labor??? I am also assuming you don't buy from Target, or Whole Foods, or Amazon or any other retailer because they also pay minimum wage and do the same practices as Walmart.

In fact, if you are a business owner, do you not negotiate the prices on your products you buy from your suppliers?

1.2 out of 1.4 million Walmart employees get health insurance through Walmart. I guarantee you the number of LBS employees who are not owners who get health insurance from the LBS is almost zero. A much higher percentage of Walmart employees get health insurance then the percentage of those working at Starbucks do.

So give me a break that Walmart is somehow this evil company... They do the exact same thing other companies do, only they are better at it.

You and your hypocrisy are therefore dismissed.
This is rich, and FULL of assumptions, feel free to tell yourself whatever you like about my lifestyle choices.

Heh, funny you mention health insurance, I haven't had health insurance in years, I pay cash for all my medical expenses.

Unfortunately for you, I'm still quite healthy
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Originally Posted by gpsblake
I noticed you claim to live in China. Thus you are abusing and taking advantage of the cheap chinese labor for your own profit. You wouldn't be there otherwise.
1.3E9 people in china
and everyone who lives there is taking advantage of low wage workers
amazing facts
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Originally Posted by gpsblake
I noticed you claim to live in China. Thus you are abusing and taking advantage of the cheap chinese labor for your own profit. You wouldn't be there otherwise. So anything and everything you say about Walmart has to be dismissed for the hypocrisy that it is.

So I am assuming you never buy groceries or products anywhere then??? And I assume you own no cellphones because all of them are created by 10 cent an hour labor??? I am also assuming you don't buy from Target, or Whole Foods, or Amazon or any other retailer because they also pay minimum wage and do the same practices as Walmart.

In fact, if you are a business owner, do you not negotiate the prices on your products you buy from your suppliers?

1.2 out of 1.4 million Walmart employees get health insurance through Walmart. I guarantee you the number of LBS employees who are not owners who get health insurance from the LBS is almost zero. A much higher percentage of Walmart employees get health insurance then the percentage of those working at Starbucks do.

So give me a break that Walmart is somehow this evil company... They do the exact same thing other companies do, only they are better at it.

You and your hypocrisy are therefore dismissed.
Seen the news? Walmart just canceled insurance for their part time workers, and greatly increased the rates for the rest of their employees. All because it is going to cut into their profits.

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Seen the news? Walmart just canceled insurance for their part time workers, and greatly increased the rates for the rest of their employees. All because it is going to cut into their profits.

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,,,,, That's one reason that when I heard of the A.C.A. or Obama care, I thought it was going to be a good thing , everybody can have Insurance and be able to move around and take with them, to me it sounded like a good idea , but apparently not,, so the Insurance companies have everybody by the short hairs!,,,I pay 135.00 wkly for family coverage********** anybody pay more or less??
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Originally Posted by Fastfingaz
,,,,, That's one reason that when I heard of the A.C.A. or Obama care, I thought it was going to be a good thing , everybody can have Insurance and be able to move around and take with them, to me it sounded like a good idea , but apparently not,, so the Insurance companies have everybody by the short hairs!,,,I pay 135.00 wkly for family coverage********** anybody pay more or less??
My company is more... The ACA was written with massive input from the insurance lobby, think they are going to go down without a fight?

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Seen the news? Walmart just canceled insurance for their part time workers, and greatly increased the rates for the rest of their employees. All because it is going to cut into their profits.
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Have you seen the news Aaron??? It said for SOME part time, not all part time employees. Under 3 percent of their employees are affected. Oh, and I guess you missed the news for the 100s of other retailers who did the same thing. Do you shop at Trader Joe's??? Or how about HOme Depot?? Lowes?? Target??? Whole Health Foods?? Any national food chain??

62 percent of all large retailers don't even offer any health insurance of any kind to part-time employees... Guarantee you with LBS shops, it's near 100 percent that don't offer it to part time employees.

And to the other poster, there's no assumption, you are living in China to abuse Chinese labor to line your pocket. Don't claim otherwise. The fact you own a computer/smartphone is something 99.9% chinese would have to work a year just to buy. It really insults us all. Be honest about it.
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Originally Posted by Fastfingaz
I pay 135.00 wkly for family coverage********** anybody pay more or less??
about the same here for my wife and daughter. Staggering isn't it??? Yet, I understand it also... I would have paid $75,000 when I had my colon removed earlier this year out of pocket.

I believe we should have a system like France or England's (I was covered by the English system at one point). The problem with the American system is it is so filled with middlemen who pocket billions and doctors who order $1,000s of test all the time along with specialist referrals for almost anything more then a stuffy nose. Then the very high rate of top line drugs. They won't allow insulin to go generic for example.
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My company's health plan is considered too good by Obama Care. According to their standards its a Cadillac plan. We meet all affordability standards, but in Obama care world everyone needs to have the same crappy insurance . Fortunately we are grandfathered into our plan

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Originally Posted by gpsblake
And to the other poster, there's no assumption, you are living in China to abuse Chinese labor to line your pocket. Don't claim otherwise. The fact you own a computer/smartphone is something 99.9% chinese would have to work a year just to buy. It really insults us all. Be honest about it.
That is amazing that, just by knowing the poster lives in China and probably has a smart phone, that he (or she) is living there to abuse Chinese labor.
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Originally Posted by Kingpcgeek
My company's health plan is considered too good by Obama Care. According to their standards its a Cadillac plan. We meet all affordability standards, but in Obama care world everyone needs to have the same crappy insurance . Fortunately we are grandfathered into our plan
I've got a similar problem.. but in my case it's an actual problem since my premiums keep going the F up! And doesn't meet the ACA "standards" for the same reasons I imagine yours doesn't.. drives me nuts, through the exchange at the same pricepoint though is garbage!
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Originally Posted by Corben
I been in the grocery business for twenty five yrs and I seen a great industry turn from a happy one to a stressed out industry ever since Walmart started selling groceries. All they want to do is put everyone else out of business. If youre making a living making A,B and selling C you can be sure Walmart has its evil eye on you and your customers. And thier customer service SUCKS!!! and thier loyal customers are freaks!!!
So Wayniac you just go right on taking advantage of that bike rental program at Wally world and be sure to piss on that bike before you return it. Since Walmart had no integrity when it came to putting thousands of mom and pop shops and other small business out of business why the hell should you?
But wait! Stop! Suppose that next bike turns out to be a keeper? It's actually welded well and Ramona put it together very well also. It's not a bad bike and decide to keep it. That's okay because bike shops are expensive. LBS owners are greedy and over charge and only buy thier groceries at Walmart anyway.
So the moral is if you hate Walmart so much why the hell are you buying your groceries there for? Because its cheaper!
Whoa....I got way off topic here! Sorry for ranting. Worlds going crazy.........
interesting hypocritical statement this one. you realize the local business grocery store charging more than Wal Mart, and wal mart running them out of business is a whole heckuva lot like the local bike shop charging more, then local big box stores and online retailers putting them out of business... If bike shops charged wal mart or BD prices for their bikes, then you would get equally ****ty, horribly assembled bikes, with zero follow up service besides returns. Instead of paying a bit more to have a group of people with a wide variety of repair parts, replacement parts, warranties, local support of the bicycle infrastructure, etc...
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interesting hypocritical statement this one. you realize the local business grocery store charging more than Wal Mart, and wal mart running them out of business is a whole heckuva lot like the local bike shop charging more, then local big box stores and online retailers putting them out of business... If bike shops charged wal mart or BD prices for their bikes, then you would get equally ****ty, horribly assembled bikes, with zero follow up service besides returns. Instead of paying a bit more to have a group of people with a wide variety of repair parts, replacement parts, warranties, local support of the bicycle infrastructure, etc...
And walmarts already doing that with the LBS. they sell tools, bags, racks, tubes, pedals, helmets, grips, computers, lights, etc etc. and not to mention what they offer on-line. LBS shops are already in trouble thanks to Walmart .
And speaking of hypocrites ....I have a confession.
i bought my newest bike from BD! Yes its true!.. But I'm okay with it. I came into a little cash and wanted a new bike real bad with a nice new chain and a pretty crank and with a aluminum frame and carbon fork. Not to mention crystal clear reflectors. But my favorite local bike shops had nothing in my price range so contacted BD and asked a few questions....told them what models I was interested in and my measurements. ordered my Chinese bike and I have to admit I was really nervous about it. My biggest concern was the size. But Chris at BD was dead on about what frame size I should get. Now heres where I come out as a wonderful LBS customer. Before that bike even arrived I bought at regular price from my favorite LBS a new frame pump for twenty bucks and a heavy duty lock also for twenty bucks. Oh...a bottle cage too. And I'm gonna get some new tires for the bike there too. I could have bought that stuff at Walmart ('cept tires) and saved fifteen bucks but I don't like to give them my business because as you know, they screw thier employees and the community. Believe me I wanted to get my bike at the LBS but I wanted a new bike even more. And as I understand it, it's not the bikes that make the shops money...it's the accesories that have the high margin.
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Originally Posted by Rowan
Yes, child labour/slavery is rife in the Mom and Pop businesses. Along with tax cheating.
You know I told my parents the same thing about them making me sweep and shovel the walks in front of thier business when I was a kid. So ya think they cheated on thier taxes too, huh?
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Originally Posted by Maxillius
There are 10 LBSs within an hour's drive and NONE of them fail to pile on the obligatory haughtiness and derision for bringing them a bike to work on that wasn't purchased in *their* store. Nevermind my intention to buy accessories there. Nevermind that I was willing to pay their $80/hr for making sure the person that assembled my Walmart bike wasn't having a bad day. No, clearly I came into your store seeking abuse and a condescending attitude.

When LBSs learn customer service and can get off their pedestal to deal with someone that doesn't have the money to drop $1500 on a bike, I'll think about going into an LBS. When an LBS offers lifetime warranty on the frames they sell (some may do, I don't know), I'll think about looking there again. But until then, I'll continue to brush up on my mechanical skills for my own repairs, I'll continue to buy the cheap throw-away bikes Walmart sells. And I'll do so without feeling guilty that another condescending LBS owner folded.

It's all about attitude. I'd rather be left alone than blatantly and obviously ignored or told, "We don't work on those here". If you, as a shop owner, look down your nose at me, as a paying customer, you'll lose that income (as little as it may have been) and you'll never see me or my friends again.
Hear, hear. I got haughty, unhelpful, condescending attitudes from the guys at the LBS from where I bought my Trek. Now I go to a guy working out of his house--he's always happy to see me.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
I think that you have to include your integrity as part of the price though.
Not so much; if you buy it, adjust everything right, then return it, you're doing the next buyer a huge favor.

I bought one of the ~$75 ones marked down quite a bit to under $50, that had the bars on backwards, cones cranked down way too tight, and a half dozen other issues. Fixed those problems and my ex wife rode it for a while until I found her a scrapyard Murray and used the WalMart one to save about $100 on parts for the rusty scrap bike. Ended up being one heck of a solid bike for her ~1.25mi each way commute while she was teaching at the local college, and let her park right at the door instead of the parking lot that was more than a quarter mile away. I'd originally left it looking like crap for theft protection, (though brand new custom laced wheels, polished drivetrain and Bontrager saddle on a rusty, beat up Murray frame looked odd) but she liked it so much she had me paint it up in John Deere green and yellow.
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