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    Quote Originally Posted by HaagenDas
    I'd say the roads in Zimbabwe are better than ours and the locals there reckon they have goat tracks.
    Well Kenya can march that too. We have part of the country where roads are used to dry grains. The roads are there because so and so is the presidents buddy but not because there are cars to drive around there. While the real tax payers have to ride/ drive in road close to a scene in World War two.

    Sorry mate, I thought the white guy was my reflection. I was looking for someone close to your avatar.
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    So my avturd looks like a black guy to you??? Okay, so you got drunk and went to the wrong airport or something. Your story is starting to come apart Whoodie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius
    You guys have a surplus? My God we're a few trillion in debt. Even poor countries like China have been floating our debt for quite some time. Me thinks we're headed for a disaster ala 1930's or something.
    Yep, if you believe OUR treasurer, Australia is about to usurp the United States' position as moneybroker of the world.

    As if...

    Anyone knows that the European Union pulls ALL the economic strings...

    Mind you, I like the idea that one of ours can now buy three-quarters of an American dollar instead of half!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaagenDas
    I was just reading the thread about the critical mass ride.

    I'm not inclined either way but cyclists don't pay any road taxes in any country I know of. I've also seen cyclists in groups hog the roads. Also note that cyclists often flaunt road rules etc. Motorists pay through the nose in taxes and fuel levies for roads, quite the opposite to cyclists.

    What are your opinions? Should cyclists pay some road taxes or registration for their bikes etc?
    The one part that pulls apart your suggestion about tax is GST.

    According to our erstwhile Federal Government, ALL the revenue from GST goes to the States. Not all that much is generated by cars. Some of it is spent on roads. There are other little handouts from the Feds for blackspot funding and the so-called "roads to recovery" program (because infrastructure is so sick that it needs this medication).

    As I remember it, cyclists pay GST on bikes and parts and accessories and clothing and some foods and a whole heap of other living stuff. Just like motorists.

    Plus, if I am employed, I pay income tax... and on superannuation, when I draw down on it.

    And I also have a driver's licence (that surprises those ****** in cars who think I am a DUI victim).

    And while I don't own a motor vehicle, there is a good chance I travel in one or drive one (a bus, coach or borrowed car/truck) that someone pays registraton fees and fuel tax and other crap to the government for that privilige. It's just I choose to either ride a bike, or let someone else pay for it.

    In Australia, the excise on fuel goes into Federal Government consolidated revenue -- that wonderfully euphamistical term for big black hole.

    It is likely that, with the exceptions above and a healthy dose of pre-election pork-barrelling, it never gets to see roads. Rather it goes to Medicare (for obese and other self-inflicted medical challenges) and an assortment of warm-and-fuzzy stuff that doesn't solve the social problems we face.

    Take a look at the Feds' cycling strategy -- it shifts all the responsibility (ultimately blame) to State and local government levels to deliver. It provides nothing in terms of resourcing.

    Oh dear, another rant. What is it about you, Das, that brings that out in me!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan
    Yep, if you believe OUR treasurer, Australia is about to usurp the United States' position as moneybroker of the world.

    As if...

    Anyone knows that the European Union pulls ALL the economic strings...

    Mind you, I like the idea that one of ours can now buy three-quarters of an American dollar instead of half!
    I expect to see a mass exodous of cyclists to your shores in the near future. I just don't know how they're going to get there. Bikes don't really ride over water too well, unless you have those balloon tire bikes.
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    The "motorists pay through the nose" comment is ridiculous. Let's put this in perspective. Where I live, the combined fuel taxes are 38.3 cents -- 20 cents local, 18.3 cents federal. There is also a 5.75% general sales tax. I own a bike and a car, and I travel about 4,000 miles a year on each of them. To do so, I use about 200 gallons of gas, and spend about $800 on parts and accessories for the bike. So I pay my local government about $40 in taxes to use the car, and about $46 for the bike, for the same number of miles.

    However, the impact of using the bike -- both on wear to the road and on other motorists -- is negligible compared to the car.

    Who's paying through the nose?

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    DC, I still believe we pay through the nose, when you consider that we pay road taxes and only a small portion of it ends up in roads.

    Rowan, I believe we see things similarly. I found it absolute Sci-fi that all those unwed mothers all got a healthy chunk of the surplus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manybikes
    When I do not use my car that I pay taxes on, when I do not wear the road in my town that my house taxes help pay for, when I do not pollute, when I do not use any gasoline or oil, when I do not add to the traffic jam, when I do not add to the landfill as much, when I become healthier and tax the healthcare system less by exercising, when I operate a vehicle that does not have the same potential to hurt others and potentialy less stress on the fire and police department that I pay for, I deserve a refund at the very least.

    The State of New Jersey has a law that is either in progress or now a law that provides tax credits by mile for cyclists in that state. It's not much but it's a good start.

    In the USA the roads were first built for bicycles, not cars anyway.
    This could be the declaration of independence for cyclists. Very well put!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius
    I expect to see a mass exodous of cyclists to your shores in the near future. I just don't know how they're going to get there. Bikes don't really ride over water too well, unless you have those balloon tire bikes.
    Please come; we can use the numbers. If you can't get a visa, just jump on the next raft and claim refugee status. You should be out of mandatory detention and free to ride within three to ten years.
    If we learn from our mistakes, I must be a goddamn genius.

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    Maybe they need a velodrome in Baxter, might shut the ingrates up for a while
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaagenDas
    Maybe they need a velodrome in Baxter, might shut the ingrates up for a while
    Maybe, but I think it'd be difficult to get their lungs to operate at full capacity with their lips stitched shut.
    If we learn from our mistakes, I must be a goddamn genius.

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    cancel the drome, maybe a few exercise bikes will suffice.
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