My new $7,000 bike and the futility of justifying the price to the average person.
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Can't speak for the other person, but my company has a landline at my office, and I'm not expected to be a the beck and call of my employer when not working. And if they want to get in touch with me for any reason, they can call me at home.
I do have a smart phone and use every feature of it regularly. I love it. But it's not essential to me, just a damn convenient and entertaining appliance. But not essential, for me.
I do have a smart phone and use every feature of it regularly. I love it. But it's not essential to me, just a damn convenient and entertaining appliance. But not essential, for me.
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A co-worker once asked me how I could afford to eat lunch out every day and have nice bikes when I made less than him. I pointed out the cost of his cigarettes - 2 packs a day - and parking at metered parking all day rather than walk to the employer-supplied ramp parking a few blocks away, while I rode my bike to work. Between the two, he was spending much more on those items than I was on mine.
BTW, I think the number of people drinking a six-pack of beer every day is probably relatively small. OTOH, I've seen guys who drank a six-pack for dinner.
BTW, I think the number of people drinking a six-pack of beer every day is probably relatively small. OTOH, I've seen guys who drank a six-pack for dinner.
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Just say "I spent $650 on my bike." It needn't be a lie; you might have just purchased a boutique crankset for it, or something similar.
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I think the vast majority of people have some thing they spend money on that other people consider extravagant. Audio equipment, cars, bicycles, photography, art, fine wines, scotch, Season tickets to a sports club, or symphony orchestra, spa days, cruises, gambling, there is no end to all the things one can spend money on that isn't essential.
The person with the $6,000.00 bike can't understand how someone could spend as much on a turntable and vice-versa.
The person with the $6,000.00 bike can't understand how someone could spend as much on a turntable and vice-versa.
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I think the vast majority of people have some thing they spend money on that other people consider extravagant. Audio equipment, cars, bicycles, photography, art, fine wines, scotch, Season tickets to a sports club, or symphony orchestra, spa days, cruises, gambling, there is no end to all the things one can spend money on that isn't essential.
The person with the $6,000.00 bike can't understand how someone could spend as much on a turntable and vice-versa.
The person with the $6,000.00 bike can't understand how someone could spend as much on a turntable and vice-versa.
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The last new bike (Colnago Super) I bought for a few million lire in 1983 is still in the stable. I enjoy riding it as much as the craigslist $75 vintage Nishiki Pro I bought a few years ago. If crowing about the price tag floats your boat, great, but, although there are a lot of things that have demonstrable and reliable increasing functional value at increasing price, bikes ain't one of them. Just like your $200 dinner still ends up at the sewage treatment plant.
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Is there an "expensive" bike thread that sopped under ten pages???
If we cannot agree, how could a non-bike person ever understand?
If we cannot agree, how could a non-bike person ever understand?
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You spent how much on a bike???
Just doin' my part here.
Just doin' my part here.
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Two years ago i bought a "stupid" expensive bike. I questioned my decision but once I started putting miles on it I realized that I made the right decision. The most expensive bike is the one you don't ride. Since upgrading, my annual mileage has doubled and my cost, at this time, is about $1 per mile. At this rate, i'll be at 50¢ per mile in 2 years.
Last year I stopped at a deli and asked the couple, eating outside, to watch the bike while I went inside. When I came out the guy said "that bike looks expensive, how much does it cost?" I told him it was a bit over $2000. He said that's more than he expected.
Esoteric: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/esoteric
There's no sense trying to explain it to others.
Last year I stopped at a deli and asked the couple, eating outside, to watch the bike while I went inside. When I came out the guy said "that bike looks expensive, how much does it cost?" I told him it was a bit over $2000. He said that's more than he expected.
Esoteric: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/esoteric
There's no sense trying to explain it to others.
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Two years ago i bought a "stupid" expensive bike. I questioned my decision but once I started putting miles on it I realized that I made the right decision. The most expensive bike is the one you don't ride. Since upgrading, my annual mileage has doubled and my cost, at this time, is about $1 per mile. At this rate, i'll be at 50¢ per mile in 2 years.
Last year I stopped at a deli and asked the couple, eating outside, to watch the bike while I went inside. When I came out the guy said "that bike looks expensive, how much does it cost?" I told him it was a bit over $2000. He said that's more than he expected.
Esoteric: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/esoteric
There's no sense trying to explain it to others.
Last year I stopped at a deli and asked the couple, eating outside, to watch the bike while I went inside. When I came out the guy said "that bike looks expensive, how much does it cost?" I told him it was a bit over $2000. He said that's more than he expected.
Esoteric: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/esoteric
There's no sense trying to explain it to others.
What even I find hard to figure is how you can put a $7000 bicycle next to a $7000 motorcycle and see equivalent value.
OK, you want a top of the line bicycle and it costs $7000, but is the content really there?
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I don't think people care how much we spend on bicycles. Everyone spends too much on something.
What even I find hard to figure is how you can put a $7000 bicycle next to a $7000 motorcycle and see equivalent value.
OK, you want a top of the line bicycle and it costs $7000, but is the content really there?
What even I find hard to figure is how you can put a $7000 bicycle next to a $7000 motorcycle and see equivalent value.
OK, you want a top of the line bicycle and it costs $7000, but is the content really there?
I love watches. I mostly where a $200 Seiko, and I love it. I have always wanted a Rolex, not the best watches, but very good watches. The one I like is $8,000. I am at a stage of life that I can buy one and it would not change anything. However, it is not worth it to me. My Sworks MTB is, though. Does that little watch possess the same "value" as my bike? To some it does. To some it does not.
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I don't think people care how much we spend on bicycles. Everyone spends too much on something.
What even I find hard to figure is how you can put a $7000 bicycle next to a $7000 motorcycle and see equivalent value.
OK, you want a top of the line bicycle and it costs $7000, but is the content really there?
What even I find hard to figure is how you can put a $7000 bicycle next to a $7000 motorcycle and see equivalent value.
OK, you want a top of the line bicycle and it costs $7000, but is the content really there?
In my case it's a little of each of them. Riding with a disability, a standard bike setup feels clumsy and sometimes unsafe to ride. I want a nice bike that performs well; even fully equipped with function as the goal, that bike would only cost $3500-$4000 USD, new. The bike I'm planning is going to cost about $6000. Being completely honest, the rest is (for me) aesthetics, longevity of parts, and optimization of measurements, etc. For me the extra $2k is worth it to get "my bike" rather than "a bike."
A related part of this is an experiment, too. I've never had something expertly made just for me, let alone a bike. I figure if I spend $6,000 now, I get the benefit of a good (potentially great) bike, and I get to learn for myself whether all the hype and cost are worth it. If they are, then I have made a good purchase; if they're not, then I've still made a good purchase because, as someone on the forum said recently, $2000 is a cheap lesson to learn. And at the least I'll come out knowing that I never have to do that again.
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The content is there if it is worth it to you.
I love watches. I mostly where a $200 Seiko, and I love it. I have always wanted a Rolex, not the best watches, but very good watches. The one I like is $8,000. I am at a stage of life that I can buy one and it would not change anything. However, it is not worth it to me. My Sworks MTB is, though. Does that little watch possess the same "value" as my bike? To some it does. To some it does not.
I love watches. I mostly where a $200 Seiko, and I love it. I have always wanted a Rolex, not the best watches, but very good watches. The one I like is $8,000. I am at a stage of life that I can buy one and it would not change anything. However, it is not worth it to me. My Sworks MTB is, though. Does that little watch possess the same "value" as my bike? To some it does. To some it does not.
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Not to get off-topic, but a Seiko SKX007 is my daily wear too. Really want some nicer watches, but I beat them up too much to rationalize it to myself; so far the sub-$200 Seikos and G-Shocks have held up to the constant bumps with no marks to show! I dunno why I have expensive tastes with bikes, but nothing else.
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BTW, a "top of the line" bike is way more than $7000.. try twice as much.
Don't try to explain it to most people, they just won't get it. Even to most cyclist, they don't understand spending that much money... and that's OK. That's why when asked how much my bike cost, I give a number I think the person would expect.
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It is interesting how folks don't blink an eye at a $7,000 diamond. Or one twice that. I think most folks are even aware that you can spend $5,000 on a wrist watch.
But the concept of expensive bikes seems foreign to nearly everyone. I bet you most of the public (including a lot of cyclists) aren't even aware that $10,000+ bicycles are a thing.
But the concept of expensive bikes seems foreign to nearly everyone. I bet you most of the public (including a lot of cyclists) aren't even aware that $10,000+ bicycles are a thing.
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"beauty is in the eye of the beholder" as is "value"
Debating beauty or value is futile since they are subjective. Enjoying your possessions while you have the opportunity is all that matters. I enjoy my 15 year old $100.00 Target Magna hybrid with 8,000+ miles on it and less than $100.00 worth of maintenance expenses since purchased as do I enjoy my 4 year old $5,000 Giant with $1,000+ worth of maintenance expenses and tens of thousands of miles.
Debating beauty or value is futile since they are subjective. Enjoying your possessions while you have the opportunity is all that matters. I enjoy my 15 year old $100.00 Target Magna hybrid with 8,000+ miles on it and less than $100.00 worth of maintenance expenses since purchased as do I enjoy my 4 year old $5,000 Giant with $1,000+ worth of maintenance expenses and tens of thousands of miles.
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It is interesting how folks don't blink an eye at a $7,000 diamond. Or one twice that. I think most folks are even aware that you can spend $5,000 on a wrist watch.
But the concept of expensive bikes seems foreign to nearly everyone. I bet you most of the public (including a lot of cyclists) aren't even aware that $10,000+ bicycles are a thing.
But the concept of expensive bikes seems foreign to nearly everyone. I bet you most of the public (including a lot of cyclists) aren't even aware that $10,000+ bicycles are a thing.