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    You thought the new Barrington Hills laws were bad enough...

    Well, that's only part of it. The 2nd District Illinois Appellate Court (which is the district that presides over cases out of the collar counties) just upheld a police officers ability to arrest a cyclist for violating a municipal ordinance. In this case, the cyclist was arrested for riding on the sidewalk and riding without a head lamp. The court ruled that violations of even these minor infractions was enough to fully arrest somebody and take them to jail pending the posting of bond (similar to domestic battery or DUI).

    Synopsis of case:

    "Trial court did not err when it denied defendant's motion to quash arrest and suppress evidence seized after police officer stopped defendant for driving a bicycle on sidewalk at night without a headlamp, defendant indicated that he had neither a driver's license nor money to post as bond, police officer discovered drug pipe on defendant's person when he searched him incident to arrest, and booking officer discovered bag of controlled substance when defendant pulled his socks down at police station. There is no requirement that police officer actually issue citation to defendant in order to conduct proper search incident to arrest or take defendant into custody; and procedure complies with SCR 526(a)."

    Full text of opinion:
    http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinion...ry/2060798.pdf

    Looks to me like if Barrinton Hills really wants to rid their town of cyclists, it won't be hard.

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    The point of that isn't that cops will be out there arresting and charging people for bicycle violations. It's that when they see suspicious people on bikes, they can "arrest" them for violations in order to thereby have the legal right to search the person and find their drugs. They don't really care about the bike violation - they are fishing for more serious stuff.

    Of course I'm all for personal rights and don't like this ploy to gain search access. But normal looking cyclists shouldn't fear getting searched because of this new ruling. I don't think it changes things for anyone except people in high crime areas who might be profiled as drug offenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacificaslim View Post
    The point of that isn't that cops will be out there arresting and charging people for bicycle violations. It's that when they see suspicious people on bikes, they can "arrest" them for violations in order to thereby have the legal right to search the person and find their drugs. They don't really care about the bike violation - they are fishing for more serious stuff.
    Actually, no. The point is that they can arrest cyclists (if they choose) for MUNICIPAL cycling ordinances and then do a search pursuant to arrest.

    Quote Originally Posted by pacificaslim View Post
    Of course I'm all for personal rights and don't like this ploy to gain search access. But normal looking cyclists shouldn't fear getting searched because of this new ruling. I don't think it changes things for anyone except people in high crime areas who might be profiled as drug offenders.
    It has nothing to do with high crime or not high crime. It has everything to do with giving the police the discretion to use this authority in any manner they see fit. If, for instance, Barrington Hills wanted to "discourage" cyclists from riding there, it can force the issue by arresting cyclists and forcing them to either be jailed or post bond.

    I ride dressed up by both a "normal" looking cyclist and a not-normal looking cyclist. I've ridden in "low crime" and "high crime" areas (including through the same city- Aurora- where the stop in that case took place). Under your reading of the case, I should or should not care?

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    Ok, wait.....

    On these boards, people are usually "screaming" for the right to "take the lane" and to be considered a vehicle just the same as a car. This knucklehead was NOT taking the lane, riding like a bike ninja and was probably endangering pedestrians by riding on the sidewalk..... Sidewalks are for WALKING, right?

    Is it bogus that he was arrested for this? Yep.... but if you don't do stupid/ illegal stuff, you shouldn't have a problem. I bet if that had been me (A very clean cut, well spoken white type person) I doubt I would have gotten anymore than a "get off the sidewalk!" from the cops.... The cops probably had a feeling about this guy (seems they were right) and used the law to their advantage..... I don't see the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by court's opinion View Post
    police officer stopped defendant for driving a bicycle
    so now it's driving a bicycle?

    Quote Originally Posted by court's opinion
    ...police officer discovered drug pipe on defendant's person when he searched him incident to arrest, and booking officer discovered bag of controlled substance when defendant pulled his socks down at police station...
    So was there some sort of operating a vehicle under the influence thing at work here, as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by MJH2
    Looks to me like if Barrinton Hills really wants to rid their town of cyclists, it won't be hard.
    Only if they find ColorChange's dime bag when searching his jersey pockets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyLowe97 View Post
    Only if they find ColorChange's dime bag when searching his jersey pockets...
    Last I knew he had it hidden under his man boobs.

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    I live reasonably close to here, and was born and raised in Aurora. I ride in Aurora, a lot.

    Funny thing is: the only place it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk, in Aurora, is the downtown area, by ordinance. This is a residential neighborhood, in a bad part of town.

    I have seen the bike police ride on the sidewalk downtown, to avoid riding the wrong way on a one way street, just cruising, side by side.

    Since he wasn't breakng any laws, and wasn't in the street, where a light would be required, I'm puzzled by the ruling........

    Am I glad another gang banger is being hassled, you bet.

    I'm just puzzled that the perps lawyer didn't bring that up........

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    Brutal! ... BRUTAL!

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    Seems to me that the problem was two-fold. One, the cyclist violated municipal code by riding on sidewalk, plus no headlight. And, more importantly: He had no ID or cash bond with him.

    I am no fan of the Gestapo, trust me there. But, what is a cop to do if he cannot verify the identity of the person to whom he is issuing a citation. Also, the court ruling reads as though the defendant may have been in the clear if only he had the cash bond with him.

    The question to ask is, given exact same circumstance, could the officer have legally arrested someone who had proper ID or cash bond?

    Here in Ohio we do not get arrested for minor drug offenses such as the possession of marijuana and or drug paraphernalia. We would only be issued a ticket. However, proper ID is required for almost all encouters with law enforcement, if one wishes to avoid being detained and searched.

    "Free Country" does not really apply in our current reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baron von trail View Post
    Seems to me that the problem was two-fold. One, the cyclist violated municipal code by riding on sidewalk, plus no headlight. And, more importantly: He had no ID or cash bond with him.

    I am no fan of the Gestapo, trust me there. But, what is a cop to do if he cannot verify the identity of the person to whom he is issuing a citation. Also, the court ruling reads as though the defendant may have been in the clear if only he had the cash bond with him.

    The question to ask is, given exact same circumstance, could the officer have legally arrested someone who had proper ID or cash bond?

    Here in Ohio we do not get arrested for minor drug offenses such as the possession of marijuana and or drug paraphernalia. We would only be issued a ticket. However, proper ID is required for almost all encouters with law enforcement, if one wishes to avoid being detained and searched.

    "Free Country" does not really apply in our current reality.
    The answer to that question is: Absolutely.

    The ability to do a "search incident to arrest" is independant of one's ability to post bond. Even when a person posts bond, they're subject to a search incident to arrest, or an inventory search (even, sometimes, if they aren't formally arrested and booked). Failure to carry ID doesn't really matter as far as justifying the search, as it's not against the law to wander about without an ID.

    The interesting thing (to me, anyway) about this case is that they've upheld the goverment's ability to search you if you're being cited for a minor/municipal violation. How far does that extend? Arrested for not wearing a seat belt? Absolutely. Arrested for failure to keep your lawn at an appropriate height? Who knows.

    The fun thing (in Illinois) is that we actually have a little known laws on how to turn left on your bicycle, and that your bike must have a seat. Seems nearly every cyclist could have been subject to arrest at one time or another.

    Here:

    11-1510. Left Turns. (a) A person riding a bicycle or motorized pedalcycle intending to turn left shall follow a course described in Section 11-801 or in paragraph (b) of this Section.

    (b) A person riding a bicycle or motorized pedalcycle intending to turn left shall approach the turn as close as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway. After proceeding across the intersecting roadway to the far corner of the curb or intersection of the roadway edges, the bicyclist or motorized pedalcycle driver shall stop, as much as practicable out of the way of traffic. After stopping the person shall yield to any traffic proceeding in either direction along the roadway such person had been using. After yielding, the bicycle or motorized pedalcycle driver shall comply with any official traffic control device or police officer regulating traffic on the highway along which he intends to proceed, and the bicyclist or motorized pedalcycle driver may proceed in the new direction.

    (c) Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions, the Department and local authorities in their respective jurisdictions may cause official traffic-control devices to be placed and thereby require and direct that a specific course be traveled by turning bicycles and motorized pedalcycles, and when such devices are so placed, no person shall turn a bicycle or motorized pedalcycle other than as directed and required by such devices.

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    Pretty sure that bicycle riding on sidewalks is illegal in all of Aurora unless you're 12 yrs. old and under. This is a very old ordinance dating back some 40 years. Not sure if they enforce it much outside of downtown area as i've ridden on the sidewalk especially along Odgen Ave., New York St., McCoy Dr. and others nearby Fox Valley Mall. As for the person who ended up arrested, he would of got off easy if he wasn't hiding drugs and hanging around in a bad area after dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patester242002 View Post
    Pretty sure that bicycle riding on sidewalks is illegal in all of Aurora unless you're 12 yrs. old and under.
    Yeah, try to convince the yahoo in the pick-up truck of that one
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    Quote Originally Posted by patester242002 View Post
    Pretty sure that bicycle riding on sidewalks is illegal in all of Aurora unless you're 12 yrs. old and under. This is a very old ordinance dating back some 40 years. Not sure if they enforce it much outside of downtown area as i've ridden on the sidewalk especially along Odgen Ave., New York St., McCoy Dr. and others nearby Fox Valley Mall. As for the person who ended up arrested, he would of got off easy if he wasn't hiding drugs and hanging around in a bad area after dark.
    Im almost positive this is a state law, but am unsure of the actual age requirements. The chances of you getting a ticket for it though is very low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJH2 View Post
    Actually, no. The point is that they can arrest cyclists (if they choose) for MUNICIPAL cycling ordinances and then do a search pursuant to arrest.
    I don't understand the concern here over this being a municipal matter. Up here in the land of Cheese and Beer arrests for municipal ordinance violations are common place. Admittedly, in a situation like the one described in the case you'd probably just get the ticket on the scene, but the office COULD arrest. The arrest decision would likely be based on how much of a d*ck the guy was being.

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    It did likely have a lot to do with his attitude, although I was being passive when I got popped like 12 yrs ago before going to college in ohio. all things considered, I had been drinking, but...

    The thing that always gets me going is that there is a difference between a cyclist and a pedestrian with a bicycle. Most "cycling" deaths involve the latter, and activist groups are usually cyclists.

    In this case it would seem that a pedestrian with a bike was trying to invoke the rights of a cyclist ala L.A.W., but was seen for what he likely was, (insert your choice of offense...a trouble maker, thug, dealer...). However, that does not mean that all people with bicycles won't now be targets.
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    A little sense from the home of the Terry Stop.

    Frankly it sounds like a bored suburban cop yanked the chain of some hippie sullying his burg. I'm not a fan of either side in those circumstances. The fact that the dude was on a bicycle means little to most of us.

    And this is a surprise to anyone? SCOTUS has pretty much murdered personal freedom lately.

    Quote Originally Posted by baron von trail View Post
    Seems to me that the problem was two-fold. One, the cyclist violated municipal code by riding on sidewalk, plus no headlight. And, more importantly: He had no ID or cash bond with him.

    I am no fan of the Gestapo, trust me there. But, what is a cop to do if he cannot verify the identity of the person to whom he is issuing a citation. Also, the court ruling reads as though the defendant may have been in the clear if only he had the cash bond with him.

    The question to ask is, given exact same circumstance, could the officer have legally arrested someone who had proper ID or cash bond?

    Here in Ohio we do not get arrested for minor drug offenses such as the possession of marijuana and or drug paraphernalia. We would only be issued a ticket. However, proper ID is required for almost all encouters with law enforcement, if one wishes to avoid being detained and searched.

    "Free Country" does not really apply in our current reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CastIron View Post
    A little sense from the home of the Terry Stop.

    Frankly it sounds like a bored suburban cop yanked the chain of some hippie sullying his burg. I'm not a fan of either side in those circumstances. The fact that the dude was on a bicycle means little to most of us.

    And this is a surprise to anyone? SCOTUS has pretty much murdered personal freedom lately.
    Agreed. But the fact that it allows the local police to go through a full-on arrest for a municipal cycing violation should be of passing interest (at least) to those potentially affected by the new Barrington Hills laws.

    Riding double file could now (potentially) earn a trip to lock-up if the Village wants, and the officers are willing to do all of the included paperwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sage23 View Post
    I don't understand the concern here over this being a municipal matter. Up here in the land of Cheese and Beer arrests for municipal ordinance violations are common place. Admittedly, in a situation like the one described in the case you'd probably just get the ticket on the scene, but the office COULD arrest. The arrest decision would likely be based on how much of a d*ck the guy was being.
    Yes, and your state is a lot more restrictive than most in that sense. Most states don't require you to pull out a credit card when you get a speeding ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJH2 View Post
    Yes, and your state is a lot more restrictive than most in that sense. Most states don't require you to pull out a credit card when you get a speeding ticket.
    Only for FIBs pulled over by state troopers

    AFAIK county sheriffs don't take credit cards, just the state patrol. Anything in excess of 15 over the limit is an arrestable offense in beer and brat country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tzracer View Post
    Only for FIBs pulled over by state troopers

    AFAIK county sheriffs don't take credit cards, just the state patrol. Anything in excess of 15 over the limit is an arrestable offense in beer and brat country.
    Life behind the cheese curtain. It is, odd as it may seem, one of the reasons I put very few tourism dollars over there. It's like driving to West Berlin back in the day: make no stops, cause no fuss, until you reach Chicagoland.

    I have to wonder though: at what point does the average Joe decide he isn't going to go and has the ability to make it stick? That's the whole reason you don't up the ante on petty $hit.
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    My suggestion would to try not look like a crack head on a bike in the middle of the night.

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    can the cops pull up your photo and info in their car if you happen to have your drivers license number memorized?

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    They can look you up with just a name and get your DL pic and full data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CastIron View Post
    They can look you up with just a name and get your DL pic and full data.
    Which is why i've always wondered why it is still illegal to not have it on you when driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Which is why i've always wondered why it is still illegal to not have it on you when driving.
    Not all police departments have the fancy computers. Some of them are still writing reports with a pen.

    And, it's only a petty offense to not have the physical license with you.

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