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smontanaro 10-23-13 08:11 AM

Restrictive ordinance proposals for Iowa County, WI
 
Passing this along from the iBOB mailing list:

If a proposed ordinance regulating bicycle and motorcycle rides in Iowa County passes, it may mean the end of some of Wisconsin's favorite organized rides in the Driftless region, including the USA Cycling Amateur Road National Championship, Bombay Bicycle Club’s Wright Stuff Century, BREW tour, the Dairyland Dare, GRABAAR, the Horribly Hilly Hundreds, and even the weekly group rides. The next Iowa County Transportation Committee meeting is Monday Oct. 28th at 6pm at the Dodgeville County Courthouse, 222 N Iowa Street, Dodgeville. WI 53533.

http://wisconsinbikefed.org/2013/10/...n-iowa-county/

rootboy 10-23-13 08:34 AM

Danged gub'mint meddlers....

RubberLegs 10-23-13 08:47 AM

Giving County officials the right to cancel ANYTHING they want to at "Their Discretion" is a slippery slope...plus the BIG cost run up of Extra Insurance, Extra Mailings, EXTRA advertising of Information, LEAD time of having to have EVERYTHING planned out WAY ahead of time.....will KILL events....How much extra income do these events bring IN to the county? Perhaps someone should explain to the VOTING PUBLIC how much money these politicians will be throwing away....

smontanaro 10-23-13 09:25 AM

We see the same thing on a much smaller scale here in the Chicago area. While Chicago itself is going whole hog improving its bike infrastructure (perhaps recognizing that moving by slowly at street level increases the chances you will stop and patronize local businesses), the northern suburbs are going in the other direction: ticketing for Idaho stops or riding more than two abreast, etc. Ultimately, their businesses probably lose revenue as bikies stop taking coffee/donut breaks in those towns, or avoid them altogether.

CV-6 10-23-13 02:40 PM

Guess the rides don't bring enough $$$ into the county to make it worth their while. It would be so easy to work with event organizers but apparently they choose not to do so.

crank_addict 10-23-13 02:50 PM

Detour and boycott the entire county. Bobo county board members are probably the same arses texting, flap jawing on the phone while driving.

busdriver1959 10-23-13 03:24 PM

Are there any funeral homes there? Get them on board. This will have a very negative effect on funeral processions. The President will have a tough time complying if he (or she) ever visits. Christmas parades? Caravans to an out of town football game? Lots of events will have to be cancelled that aren't bicycle or motorcycle rides. It's an extremely broad law.

Chombi 10-23-13 03:40 PM

One day, you might not be able to visit Wisconsin unless you "EAT CHEESE OR DIE!" (A finalist entry submitted in the 80's to the State for WI vehicle tag state motto).....
WI sure turned out to be such a politically controversial State after I left it in the end of the 80's. Before that, the biggest news was the question on what to do with so much government subsidized surplus cheese, spoiling in warehouses around the State......:rolleyes:
Heck, back then you did not even have to wear helmets when you rode motorcycles.....

thinktubes 10-23-13 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 16184490)
We see the same thing on a much smaller scale here in the Chicago area. While Chicago itself is going whole hog improving its bike infrastructure (perhaps recognizing that moving by slowly at street level increases the chances you will stop and patronize local businesses), the northern suburbs are going in the other direction: ticketing for Idaho stops or riding more than two abreast, etc. Ultimately, their businesses probably lose revenue as bikies stop taking coffee/donut breaks in those towns, or avoid them altogether.

Unfortunately, many of the larger groups fail to police themselves. In spite of the ticketing, I still see groups riding 6 wide taking up a whole lane of traffic and completely blowing intersections.

jiangshi 10-23-13 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinktubes (Post 16185987)
Unfortunately, many of the larger groups fail to police themselves. In spite of the ticketing, I still see groups riding 6 wide taking up a whole lane of traffic and completely blowing intersections.

Sounds like a Lance Armstrong ride.

Popeyecahn 10-23-13 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by busdriver1959 (Post 16185871)
Are there any funeral homes there? Get them on board. This will have a very negative effect on funeral processions. The President will have a tough time complying if he (or she) ever visits. Christmas parades? Caravans to an out of town football game? Lots of events will have to be cancelled that aren't bicycle or motorcycle rides. It's an extremely broad law.

This.

Chrome Molly 10-23-13 04:32 PM

Email sent to Craig, may also send to local hotels and restaurants...

Chrome Molly 10-23-13 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chombi (Post 16185918)
One day, you might not be able to visit Wisconsin unless you "EAT CHEESE OR DIE!" (A finalist entry submitted in the 80's to the State for WI vehicle tag state motto).....
WI sure turned out to be such a politically controversial State after I left it in the end of the 80's. Before that, the biggest news was the question on what to do with so much government subsidized surplus cheese, spoiling in warehouses around the State......:rolleyes:
Heck, back then you did not even have to wear helmets when you rode motorcycles.....

You still don't have to wear a helmet in Wi on a motorcycle, but you might need to have a $4M umbrella liability policy to draw up a map for a group of helmet wearing bicyclists that have signed liability waivers...

RobbieTunes 10-23-13 04:55 PM

Email sent to Craig Hardy, sending CC to the Walker House. They can relate to the revenue.

bibliobob 10-23-13 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 16186176)
Email sent to Craig Hardy, sending CC to the Walker House. They can relate to the revenue.

Good idea, Robbie. I sent Craig an email last night, but may forward to Walker House as well....

iab 10-23-13 05:36 PM

How does one define "temporary, planned, extraordinary occurrence on County highway right-of-way"? It's their definition of a special event.

Obviously I have a right to ride my bike on a public road. And just as obvious, I can invite my friend over for a ride.

So when does it stop being private citizens using the road and becomes a special event?

bibliobob 10-23-13 05:44 PM

One of the criteria might be whether or not you charge a registration fee. Perhaps consider a suggested donation for your planned event? D.F., out in Freeport, might a good source of information..... I know event planning folks and have plenty examples of event emergency plans, if you need help in submitting plans, etc....

crank_addict 10-23-13 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 16184490)
We see the same thing on a much smaller scale here in the Chicago area. While Chicago itself is going whole hog improving its bike infrastructure (perhaps recognizing that moving by slowly at street level increases the chances you will stop and patronize local businesses), the northern suburbs are going in the other direction: ticketing for Idaho stops or riding more than two abreast, etc. Ultimately, their businesses probably lose revenue as bikies stop taking coffee/donut breaks in those towns, or avoid them altogether.

In 'duh' Chicago news again- Asking for a bike license fee + mandatory 1 hour education course. Further admitted for revenue. What a bunch of revenue 'tools' in that Iowa, WI county too. They see the popularity and numbers of cyclist and then the county board members get greedy. That's all it is folks. Screw them.

As a matter fact, screw the entire state of WI and IL for not making a mandatory motorcycle helmet law. Don't they REALLY CARE for the well being of the people?

Michael Angelo 10-23-13 07:10 PM

WHy those no good rat bastards......

CbadRider 10-23-13 07:21 PM

Moved from C&V to Great Lakes regional.

gomango 10-23-13 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CbadRider (Post 16186707)
Moved from C&V to Great Lakes regional.

May I ask why?

Did you happen to see the view count on the Dairyland Dare thread and the amount of C&Vers that take part in that event annually?

Just curious.

Barrettscv 10-24-13 08:02 AM

I hope that the concerned locals and the Wisconsin Cycling Community can keep any new regulations from becoming law. I hope Trek and other business interests are involved.

If these events are outlawed, I plan on riding the area with as many like minded cyclist as possible. Boycotting the area would hand these morons a victory. In this age of social media, how can any county government expect to limit public use in this way?

CbadRider 10-24-13 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomango (Post 16186732)
May I ask why?

Did you happen to see the view count on the Dairyland Dare thread and the amount of C&Vers that take part in that event annually?

Just curious.


Because the topic itself has nothing to do with Classic & Vintage bicycles.

Threads dealing with local ordinances that affect cycling either go in A&S or the regional forums. Any C&V members who are affected by this ordinance can feel free to post in the thread here.

smontanaro 10-25-13 08:44 AM

My apologies. I only know of Iowa County, WI in the context of Dairyland Dare. And that only because Robbie Tunes has organized groups of C&V folks to ride the DD the past two years. So, I was looking at the topic with my rose-colored C&V glasses on.

RobbieTunes 10-25-13 08:54 AM

What would be fun, though, is a 1500-rider "unorganized" event, doing the same thing. You know, legally riding a bicycle.

One of my emails to Craig Hardy:

Given the number of people involved, I'm going to assume the same requirements will be met for any softball tournament in Iowa County, any concert, etc, including Lands' End's yard sale.
  • Events would need to carry a $4M insurance policy. Certainly every softball tournament, concert, swim meet, trail ride, etc should have those, especially with all the fat drunks.
  • Special events must notify all residents and businesses along the route via U.S. Postal service. Notices must contain the full route of the event including all start and stop locations. Every person who owns a residence where anyone from any concert, swim meet, softball tournament, etc would potentially park should be notified as well.
  • Detailed event signage plan required for Iowa County government approval. Agreeable, safety concern. What cycling experts are working for the Iowa County government?
  • Iowa County government reserves the right to cancel any event at their discretion. Too bad it can't go the other way. You know, citizens with rights canceling government.
  • Iowa County government reserves the right to deny permits for event at their discretion. Be aware of discrimination. Treat every "event" the same.
  • Lighting requirements more restrictive than WI DOT statutes. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? I forgot, this is Wisconsin, the government is the answer.
It appears that someone with some political horsepower doesn't like healthy people in colorful outfits riding on his/her roads. Maybe it's the tight britches.

Did someone get sued? Blame the lawyers who seek out and generate the claims, not the cyclists. If a few cyclists are the problem, identify them and shoot 'em. Fine with me.

Can you tell us who the powerful are? We can then ask them not to patronize any of the establishments that benefit from the bicycle rides. Ask them to stay away from the hotels and motels in Mineral Point, Dodgeville, Barneveld, Ridgeway, Belmont. Ask them to stay away from the restaurants in Mineral Point, Dodgeville, Barneveld, Ridgeway, Belmont. Ask them not to shop at Land's End, Walmart, or call the Fire Departments in Mineral Point, Dodgeville, Ridgeway, and Barneveld. Ask them to keep their kids away from Dodgeville High School (the BEST rest stop ever is staffed by the cheerleaders). Ask them not to use Soldiers Memorial Park in Mineral Point, or Governor Dodge Park. Ask them not to buy gas in Iowa County.

Of course, all we can do is ask them not to be hypocritical. Telling them would be, of course, a government function.
Then again, hypocritical and goverment officials, that's kind of a circular reference wtihout end.

If the goal is to simply stop all the bicycling events, then go ahead and say it, and do it.
Quit with the smokescreen. Step up and claim the cause and origin, and make sure everyone knows.

Iowa County doesn't need the revenue, the exposure, or the goodwill, I'm sure.
I'll be sure to discourage anyone and everyone I know from going there.

There are other counties where the events can be held.
The mistake cyclists make is they advocate for cycling.
They leave their other agendas behind.

My 2012 trip to the Dairyland Dare cost me about $400, most of it spent in Mineral Point and Dodgeville.
My cancelled 2013 trip cost me about $240, all of it spent in Mineral Point and Dodgeville.

I can save the time and money by cycling in Virginia, North Carolina, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, South Carolina, New York, Tennesse, George, Texas, Missouri, Arkansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Mississippi, Alabama, Colorado, Utah, the Dakotas, Minnesota. Florida's awful hot, as is Louisiana, and the other states, well, maybe Idaho. Maybe not Wisconsin, eh?

Oh, and we have the mountains here in NC, and the Blue Ridge Parkway, and beaches, and barbeque.
I'd invite you down, but hey, it's largely unregulated, so you have to be careful.


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