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    Quote Originally Posted by joel2old View Post

    i plan on starting at robinson no matter which day i start. if i leave on sunday i will use the roads until mckeesport then the trail. i will meet you somewhere along the trail. the shuttle would be no problem because i will be coming back to robinson. i am a very strong rider and should have no problem doing the extra miles for that day.

    That could work. It is only 26 miles via street to Boston from my place. The trail is 63 miles! That is about 2.5 times the distance.


    If you left Robinson on Sunday morning you could probably meet us in Connellsvile on Sunday aftrernoon. That would be about a 56 mile ride using the street and trail. That is not too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagraham View Post
    Joel -


    Why not stay with the group in Boston Saturday night, drive to Robinson early Sunday and get started. If you like, I'll shuttle your gear to the campsite for Sunday -- it'll lighten your load a bit.

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    Wait he would be going the wrong way!
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    If you left Robinson on Sunday morning you could probably meet us in Connellsvile on Sunday aftrernoon. That would be about a 56 mile ride using the street and trail. That is not too bad.[/QUOTE]


    sounds like a plan that may work out. i will still try and make it friday night but i need the money if there is a chance to work. maybe you can help me out with a route on roads from robinson to mckeesport since you know the roads. i have a route but do not know if the roads are somewhat safe for a bike. it looks like mckeessport is the most direct and quickest way to pick up the trail. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagraham View Post
    Joel -



    Why not stay with the group in Boston Saturday night, drive to Robinson early Sunday and get started. If you like, I'll shuttle your gear to the campsite for Sunday -- it'll lighten your load a bit.

    Judy
    hi judy
    iam coming from michigan friday, i hope, but may end up being saturday night. just looking for ways to make all of the trip. any ideas to stay saturday night for a poor biker? thanks for the help, joel

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    [QUOTE=joel2old;8739174]
    Quote Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
    Please welcome BF member joel2old to our tour.

    hi to everybody and thanks for all of the planning. i don't know if i will be joining the tour on saturday or catch up with the group on sunday(still leaving from starting point). i may have to work the first weekend but will not know until late that week. if i can't make it until sunday does anybody have a place i could stay at on saturday night in the area? thanks
    There's a campsite on the Montour Trail that should be open by June.

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    [QUOTE=The Historian;8740228]
    Quote Originally Posted by joel2old View Post

    There's a campsite on the Montour Trail that should be open by June.
    i have a 6hr drive and won't be in town until well after dark if i work so a campsite will not work. may just have to sleep in car. thanks joel

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    OK, I realize this may be off-topic for the thread, but I just installed a Brooks B-66 on my bike. I took it for a three mile test just now, and it's been the most comfortable three miles I've ever ridden. I need to get a little more height, and move it back some to stretch me out, but it might be the solution to my saddle problems. And since saddle problems were one reason I had to stop so frequently on tours, this news isn't entirely off-topic anyway.

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    saddle

    good luck with the saddle. nothing worse than a pain in the butt on a tour!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joel2old View Post
    hi judy
    iam coming from michigan friday, i hope, but may end up being saturday night. just looking for ways to make all of the trip. any ideas to stay saturday night for a poor biker? thanks for the help, joel
    Oh, Michigan! I'm 45 miles outside of the city, in the other direction. The best I could do would be to point you to a motel near the airport. The cheap chains...

    Motel6 - $43.99 +tax
    Red Roof -$62.99 +tax

    It would still be cheaper to meet up with the group (wouldn't it, guys?) at the Yough Shore. I'd even bring an extra tent and have it set up for you when you arrive. All you'd need to provide is your own sleeping bag (and pillow). You could bond/unwind when you get there.

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    It would still be cheaper to meet up with the group (wouldn't it, guys?) at the Yough Shore. I'd even bring an extra tent and have it set up for you when you arrive. All you'd need to provide is your own sleeping bag (and pillow). You could bond/unwind when you get there.

    Judy[/QUOTE]

    that may work. i would meet the group in yough shore on saturday night and ride the rest of the tour. i would still use the shuttle back to robinson and then ride by bike back to yough shore when we return. that way i would be able to do the part of the trail that i missed on the first day. i have nothing important to do that sunday or monday. thanks for another option Judy.

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    [QUOTE=The Historian;8740228]
    Quote Originally Posted by joel2old View Post

    There's a campsite on the Montour Trail that should be open by June.
    Where? I have not heard of anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joel2old View Post

    i have a 6hr drive and won't be in town until well after dark if i work so a campsite will not work. may just have to sleep in car. thanks joel
    Sleeping in the car is not an option in Robinson. You will be questioned by the police and forced to move on or maybe even arrested. Plus I could not give permission for anyone to sleep in my townhouse complex parking lot. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post

    Where? I have not heard of anything?
    See the latest issue of the Montour Trail newsletter.

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    Here is the Montour Trail in Google Earth in case anyone is interested. It is a zip file so because BF does not allow to upload kmz files. If you have any questions on installing just PM me.


    You can see the route is very circuitous. That boat trip might be looking better?

    For those not familiar with Google Earth. It is a program that you run on your PC that can be found here. If you have not tried it before, you should. It is pretty cool.
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    How is training and preparation for the tour going for everyone? I completed a 34 mile partially loaded ride yesterday. I still have a lot of work to do, but I am getting there.

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    I was going strong but the last couple of weeks has been frustratingly sparse in terms of working out and cycling... I even haven't gotten to cycling class much. Have been working hard to clear my calendar for training for the next few weeks including telling my wife that I won't be taking advanced salsa lessons with her... which did NOT go over well.

    I'm sure I'll be okay on the trip but I expect a couple of hard days the second and third day.
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    I've been able to get a few rides in at lunch on my mtn. bike, about 15 miles each time. I had a real good training ride on Saturday. Headed out for a 22 mile ride, but being in a hurry, I forgot to pack the tool kit and spare tubes. About 16 miles out the hissing sound reminded me that you only get a flat when you DON'T bring the spare. Four years of carrying that spare had saved me from a flat but today, well luckily I had remembered the cell phone and was able to get reception, so the wife bailed me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VT_Speed_TR View Post
    I've been able to get a few rides in at lunch on my mtn. bike, about 15 miles each time. I had a real good training ride on Saturday. Headed out for a 22 mile ride, but being in a hurry, I forgot to pack the tool kit and stare tubes. About 16 miles out the hissing sound reminded me that you only get a flat when you DON'T bring the spare. Four years of carrying that spare had saved me from a flat but today, well luckily I had remembered the cell phone and was able to get reception, so the wife bailed me out.

    Brian
    Sorry to read about that. Bring good tubes with you in June.

    I had to scrap my planned overnight camping trip to nearby French Creek State Park on Sunday. Too worn out by the hard ride the day before, and I'm not dealing well with the 40 degree change in the weather over the past week. I don't expect July temperatures in April. At least I checked the tent, and it's OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodeadpoets View Post
    I was going strong but the last couple of weeks has been frustratingly sparse in terms of working out and cycling... I even haven't gotten to cycling class much. Have been working hard to clear my calendar for training for the next few weeks including telling my wife that I won't be taking advanced salsa lessons with her... which did NOT go over well.

    I'm sure I'll be okay on the trip but I expect a couple of hard days the second and third day.
    The second day is 32 flat miles to Adelaide. Third day, however, is Adelaide to Rockwood, which is about 50 miles and features the 2 per cent grade the trail is known for.

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    I did a 48 miles ride yesterday with a couple of extra pounds in the bags. I swore I had gone 60 (I was that tired) so I was a little disappointed when I added everything up at the end of the ride.

    My neighbor with the camping equipment should be able to go through some things next weekend and can start to get an idea of just how much weight I am going to have to haul and just how I am going to get it packed on the bike.

    What size pannier should I be looking for? I have an old junky set on the bike now (small sized) that came off of a bike I flipped on CL last year. They are good enough to load up with some weight for training, but I don't think they are going to cut it for the trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatageek View Post
    I did a 48 miles ride yesterday with a couple of extra pounds in the bags. I swore I had gone 60 (I was that tired) so I was a little disappointed when I added everything up at the end of the ride.

    My neighbor with the camping equipment should be able to go through some things next weekend and can start to get an idea of just how much weight I am going to have to haul and just how I am going to get it packed on the bike.

    What size pannier should I be looking for? I have an old junky set on the bike now (small sized) that came off of a bike I flipped on CL last year. They are good enough to load up with some weight for training, but I don't think they are going to cut it for the trip.
    Whatever you need to carry your gear. Also, think front and rear panniers to help balance your truck, err, bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    Whatever you need to carry your gear. Also, think front and rear panniers to help balance your truck, err, bike.
    I know what ever size I need to carry the stuff -- I was looking for input from folks on what sizes work for them. It is one of those situation where it is totally new for me, so knowing what others use/do helps bring it all into focus for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    Whatever you need to carry your gear. Also, think front and rear panniers to help balance your truck, err, bike.
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatageek View Post
    I know what ever size I need to carry the stuff -- I was looking for input from folks on what sizes work for them. It is one of those situation where it is totally new for me, so knowing what others use/do helps bring it all into focus for me.

    I have the Ortlieb Bike Packers.

    I had plenty of room on my PCH credit card tour so I should have enough space on this trip.

    I am going to probably leave the off bike shoes behind and just go with sandals to save weight. Also will be leaving the long sleeve jersey and tights behind. I am debating on leaving the rain pants behind too. I might save that as a last minute decision and see if we are in for any cold wet weather. If it looks dry or at least warm and wet then I might gamble and leave them behind too.


    I really don't want to shell out the money for a front rack and front panniers so I might get a bit creative.
    My plan is to mount the tent poles on the down tube. I have fitted the bike with a second stem and plan on strapping my air mattress to that. This should help move at least some of the weight partly forward.


    Sleeping bag and rest of gear will go in rear panniers.

    I hope to test all of this, this weekend.


    If this does not work out, then I will order one of these. Or get a friend to help build one. I should then be able to mount tent, mattress and an old Sunlite (saddle bag type) pannier to the front rack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatageek View Post
    I know what ever size I need to carry the stuff -- I was looking for input from folks on what sizes work for them. It is one of those situation where it is totally new for me, so knowing what others use/do helps bring it all into focus for me.
    I'll be using both front & rear racks with panniers, and a handlebar bag. The front bags are Arkel T-28 and the rear bags are Cannondale bags I brought in 1977. If you have a rear rack, you can always strap a large dry bag or backpack to that and you'd have plenty of room. The best thing is NOT to have too much room because you'll tend to fill it and that means more weight. Better to be forced to review everything you are bringing and leave behind most of the "I might need that" items. Spinnaker has the right idea with rain gear, if it's warm and rainy, then just get wet. You'd get wet with raingear, just from the sweat inside vs the rain from the outside. Do the same review process with all your gear and you'll lighten your load and enjoy the trip more. We won't be off in some wilderness, so getting things along the way if you really, really need them will be possible.

    Brian

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