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    Giant Escape 3 vs Diamondback Insight 1

    Hey Guys!
    First off, here are the links to both these bikes.

    Escape 3 (2015) (2014) | Giant Bicycles | United States
    Diamondback Bicycles - Insight 1

    I'm going to buy my first hybrid and have narrowed down to these two bikes. I've read a bunch of articles/reviews and some other forum threads that talk about both these bikes individually, but none do a real one to one comparison. Can anyone help out with this, from an on-paper standpoint or if you've ridden them, your thoughts. My most crucial points are

    1. The Diamondback has an 18" frame and the Giant has a 17". When i went to a bike shop, a 17" Nishiki frame fit me perfectly. I'm not sure about the 18" on the diamondback even though the standover height is lesser than the smaller framed Giant
    2. I will never be able to test out the Diamondback as it is not available in a store near me. Will have to order it online through Performance Bicycle, have them assemble it for me. So is it okay to buy it based on the specs on paper?
    3. The Diamondback retails for about $200 more than the Giant, so does that mean it has better parts? I' very new to riding!
    4. Any experiences buying from performance bicycle vs a LBS?


    Thanks a lot for this guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by karankumar View Post
    Hey Guys!
    First off, here are the links to both these bikes.

    Escape 3 (2015) (2014) | Giant Bicycles | United States
    Diamondback Bicycles - Insight 1

    I'm going to buy my first hybrid and have narrowed down to these two bikes. I've read a bunch of articles/reviews and some other forum threads that talk about both these bikes individually, but none do a real one to one comparison. Can anyone help out with this, from an on-paper standpoint or if you've ridden them, your thoughts. My most crucial points are

    1. The Diamondback has an 18" frame and the Giant has a 17". When i went to a bike shop, a 17" Nishiki frame fit me perfectly. I'm not sure about the 18" on the diamondback even though the standover height is lesser than the smaller framed Giant
    2. I will never be able to test out the Diamondback as it is not available in a store near me. Will have to order it online through Performance Bicycle, have them assemble it for me. So is it okay to buy it based on the specs on paper?
    3. The Diamondback retails for about $200 more than the Giant, so does that mean it has better parts? I' very new to riding!
    4. Any experiences buying from performance bicycle vs a LBS?


    Thanks a lot for this guys!
    In all honesty the Giant is only marginally better than a Target or Walmart bike. It has really bottom of the line component (Tourney FD/RD) so I think playing $300+ is a bit much.I'm sure Giant do a good job putting it together but you can't make up for the components.

    The Diamondback is a step up as it has decent components.

    If your interested in a hybrid that is more oriented towards a road bike but can ride on crushed rock (but no jumps) then there are lots of flat bar road bikes with 28-32mm tires that are under $400 and very well speced.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inpd View Post
    In all honesty the Giant is only marginally better than a Target or Walmart bike. It has really bottom of the line component (Tourney FD/RD) so I think playing $300+ is a bit much.I'm sure Giant do a good job putting it together but you can't make up for the components.

    The Diamondback is a step up as it has decent components.

    If your interested in a hybrid that is more oriented towards a road bike but can ride on crushed rock (but no jumps) then there are lots of flat bar road bikes with 28-32mm tires that are under $400 and very well speced.

    Good luck!
    Some people seem to disagree with you on comparing it to a Target or Walmart bike:
    2016 Giant Escape

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    @karankumar - Performance Bike has a great rep, but you'd want to check their policy for ordering a bike that turns out to not fit you well.
    @Inpd - That Diamondback also has a Tourney FD & crank. The Altus RD is only marginally better.
    Overall, I would have more faith in a Giant bike over Diamondback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenBiker View Post
    @karankumar - Performance Bike has a great rep, but you'd want to check their policy for ordering a bike that turns out to not fit you well.
    @Inpd - That Diamondback also has a Tourney FD & crank. The Altus RD is only marginally better.
    Overall, I would have more faith in a Giant bike over Diamondback.
    @FrozenBiker when adjusting RD I find the Altus RD a lot smoother and easier to work with than the Tourney's. But that's just my opinion.

    If the OP has a Performance near by. How about this bike

    Fuji Absolute 3.0 LE Flat Bar Road Bike - 2015 Performance Exclusive

    Similar price to the Giant and the shifters are the nice Acera version giving you a 3 x 8 setting.

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    Thank you for your opinions! @FrozenBiker, why would you have more faith in a Giant over a Diamondback despite the superior quality of components? @Inpd, thank you for your thoughts, but would you say the diamondback is a better buy in your opinion. If yes, i wouldn't need to consider the Fuji at all.
    @mrgreefish, thank you for pointing me to the 2016 Escape 3. I would have never known! You think its worth waiting for this one or should i pull the trigger on the Diamondback?

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    Quote Originally Posted by karankumar View Post
    Thank you for your opinions! @FrozenBiker, why would you have more faith in a Giant over a Diamondback despite the superior quality of components?
    I just don't see the superior components on that Insight. Both bikes have double wall rims,
    alu frame, steel fork, same crank, same fd, same chain, similar shifters, etc.
    The Giant has a 34t rear cog which you may like more on hilly terrain.
    It really depends on which one feels the best to you tho.

    And my "faith" is just that, a feeling/hope/belief that the Giant would yield a better result.
    It's based on the purchase on an Insight 2 which I returned due to having multiple defects.
    List price was $600, everyday price $500. I paid $374 after coupon, and it wasn't worth that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inpd View Post
    In all honesty the Giant is only marginally better than a Target or Walmart bike. It has really bottom of the line component (Tourney FD/RD) so I think playing $300+ is a bit much.I'm sure Giant do a good job putting it together but you can't make up for the components.

    The Diamondback is a step up as it has decent components.

    If your interested in a hybrid that is more oriented towards a road bike but can ride on crushed rock (but no jumps) then there are lots of flat bar road bikes with 28-32mm tires that are under $400 and very well speced.

    Good luck!
    You mean marginally more expensive than a Target/Wal Mart bike. Much much much better bike in actuality. Plus, they come in real sizes that you just don't get with the box store bikes.

    Expensive is not always better. Seen plenty of crap with big price tags because it looked nice with lots of marketing. A $80 HDMI cable is no better than the well made $8 HDMI cable. It simply not! This is due to the physics of how they work. But many many people still buy the expensive cable because "it costs so much more, it has to be better" mentality. In the same vein, a $2K bike is not 4X better than a $500 bike.

    QT

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    Hi All,

    Let me better explain the context I'm making my judgment in.

    It's pretty amazing you can get a named bike like Giant for about $300 and I'm sure Giant's frame is excellent etc. However, I've bought several bikes with Tourney Derailleurs and they are not good IF you need to shift a lot. They tend to be slow to shift which if you need to shift quickly really detracts from your ride. Now I know I'm being harsh since a Tourney RD costs $11 which is amazing but I'm referring to ride quality not value. I also work on all my bikes and the Tourney RD in particular needs to be adjusted constantly, but again that is because in our area we do a lot of shifting.

    So if you are going to ride flat bike paths that require minimal shifting then go for the Giant, but bear in mind if you ever get into the situation involving climbing or even just doing rolling hills your going to really see the issue with a cheap derailleur.

    OP if you live near a performance go and try out all the bikes you can and remember that size is critical!

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    I can give testimony to the Diamondback: I bought a 2010 Diamondback Insight RS and have put well over 5,000 miles on it in the last 5+ years. I have a bunch of bikes so it doesn't see 100% of my commuting mileage, but it has been a solid workhorse for me. The RS model came with fenders and a rear rack, but unfortunately I don't think they make the RS any longer. Regardless, the rest of the bike is probably the same as the Insight 1.

    The only real issue I had was the stock wheels, which lasted less than 200 miles. Admittedly I'm really tough on wheels (big heavy guy) and have wrecked wheels on 4 of the 5 bikes currently in my stable. I think I just haven't ridden the 5th bike enough yet. So I did have to put a better wheelset on the Diamondback, but I also had to replace one of the wheels from my replacement wheelset after 2500 miles after I trashed that one too, so take that into consideration as well. Also I had the original Diamondback wheels fixed and sold them to another guy who hasn't had any trouble with them, so it's very well likely that I was the original problem.

    Anyway, here's an old thread I participated in where I go into more detail about my experience with the Diamondback: Anyone with a Diamondback Insight RS? As of the last post in this thread I hadn't made any derailleur adjustments. That has since changed: around 4500 miles I did have to tweak the rear lower limit screw slightly and make a small barrel adjustment, and it started shifting perfectly again.

    A guy I work with has an older model Giant Escape and it's been a good bike for him as well. I think they've changed the Escape since he bought his back in 2011. His looks near identical to my Diamondback down to the components. I strongly suspect they rolled off the same assembly line. From your link it looks like they've changed the Giant since he bought his model. So take that recommendation with a grain of salt.
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    Kiran bhai,
    if you are new to riding - do you want to assemble it yourself? I mean it will be beneficial but compared to buying from a store you are missing on free tuneups for a year / life of bike depends on where you buy, some good advice like what should be your tire pressures - seat height - not the most advanced but the basic stuff.

    Here is what i have and i do not knw about diamondback - i have a 2015 giant escape 3 for $350 + 1 year tune ups.
    It is a road sport hybrid - i have taken it to one trail which had small stones etc. not fun. On the road its fast and feels good. I think even though it is an entry level it is built solidly so should take a beating and survive. Diamondback which you assemble - will be a trial and error and refinement. I did not want that and hence bought it from a store - i can still clean / replace tubes / fine tune brakes etc.

    So Giant so far has been awesome - no remorse for an entry biker - the saddle and pedals maybe but other than that it needs no change. Great for roads and pavements. Not so impressed by offroading capabilities.

    --thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapsicum View Post
    Kiran bhai,
    if you are new to riding - do you want to assemble it yourself? I mean it will be beneficial but compared to buying from a store you are missing on free tuneups for a year / life of bike depends on where you buy, some good advice like what should be your tire pressures - seat height - not the most advanced but the basic stuff.

    Here is what i have and i do not knw about diamondback - i have a 2015 giant escape 3 for $350 + 1 year tune ups.
    It is a road sport hybrid - i have taken it to one trail which had small stones etc. not fun. On the road its fast and feels good. I think even though it is an entry level it is built solidly so should take a beating and survive. Diamondback which you assemble - will be a trial and error and refinement. I did not want that and hence bought it from a store - i can still clean / replace tubes / fine tune brakes etc.

    So Giant so far has been awesome - no remorse for an entry biker - the saddle and pedals maybe but other than that it needs no change. Great for roads and pavements. Not so impressed by offroading capabilities.

    --thanks.
    If you live near a Performance and they have the bike in their catalog they will build it for you. Not sure about the free tune ups though.

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    @kapsicum Thanks for your insight on the giant (see what i did there ). I won't be assembling the diamondback though. I'll be ordering it online from Performance Bicycle and have it shipped to their store, so they'll do the assembly for me. Your point on a year of free tune ups is good though. I'll check with Performance bike on their policy for tune-ups.
    @Tundra_Man Thanks for your opinion. I think you've affirmed that an isolated bad experience with a manufacturer isn't necessarily enough to give it a bad rep. The diamondback seems to be treating you fairly well!
    @Inpd Thank you for those specifics. Really helps narrow down my choice

    I think, that since i'm not going to be able to try either of these bikes (Both are unavailable near me), I'll have to make an on-paper choice. I'm going to try the Escape 2 and a 2014 Diamondback today, that are similar to the Escape 1 and 2015 Insight 1, at least in terms of sizes. Maybe base the choice on after-sales service as well so that if there is trouble, i should have the best skilled people to help me fix it.

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    Aaaaand done! Just got the Giant Escape 3 2016 model. It's gorgeous! Thanks for all the help @kapsicum, @Tundra_Man, @Inpd, @mrgreefish, @quicktrigger and @FrozenBiker

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    Quote Originally Posted by karankumar View Post
    Aaaaand done! Just got the Giant Escape 3 2016 model. It's gorgeous! Thanks for all the help @kapsicum, @Tundra_Man, @Inpd, @mrgreefish, @quicktrigger and @FrozenBiker

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    Nice! Looks like ya got some new handles

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    Quote Originally Posted by karankumar View Post
    Aaaaand done! Just got the Giant Escape 3 2016 model. It's gorgeous! Thanks for all the help @kapsicum, @Tundra_Man, @Inpd, @mrgreefish, @quicktrigger and @FrozenBiker

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    Bravo... now go wear the rubber off the tires.

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    Looks like a good bike. You won't regret it. Here is a thread you'll find interesting as you think about how to get the most out of your bike.


    Ten Tips for Improving Hybrid Performance

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    Quote Originally Posted by practical View Post
    Looks like a good bike. You won't regret it. Here is a thread you'll find interesting as you think about how to get the most out of your bike.


    Ten Tips for Improving Hybrid Performance
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