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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthers007 View Post
    But there is some weird phobia saying our hybrids aren't worthy of recognition.

    Even though fully 1/2 of cyclists where I live ride them.
    That ain't nothing when it comes to BF Brand weird phobias. I believe 85% of the bicycles in the the U.S. were sold by Big Box Department stores, read on BF the numerous foaming rants about them and their owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthers007 View Post
    And if I have a road bike, should I go to the General Cycling Forum? I'm thinking of mounting James Bond buzzing-sawblades from my Hybrid and go hunting carbon...

    So let's see here...If we want a thread to discuss the history and evolution of the Hybrid to todays version, and the commonalities of these, we can go to: Utility Cycling? Or a thread on the best saddles for the fast pace and upright position of the hybrid - post this one in: Single-speed & Fixed Gears? Or the best racks for around town on your Hybrid - it's off to: Living Car Free?

    And we meet another Hybrid owner who doesn't know about this site, but wants to learn about his Hybrid, we should send him to: A Mental Hospital as he'd be schizophrenic from being bounced all over the frickin' map???

    Why are you so against us Hybrid Folks from having the same thing you enjoy in terms of a forum dedicated to your Ride Of Choice (ROC)?? Explain yourself.
    What's obvious from your posts is that you have some feelings of inadequacy from owning a hybrid.

    I did explain myself in my previous post. There is nothing specific about hybrids. That's why they are called hybrids. They mesh a few things from different bikes to make a utility bike. There are no specific hybrid racks, or hybrid pedals, or hybrid brakes, or hybrid anything. Just because you feel ashamed to own one and want to hide in a different forum doesn't mean making a hybrid forum is a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
    What's obvious from your posts is that you have some feelings of inadequacy from owning a hybrid.

    I did explain myself in my previous post. There is nothing specific about hybrids. That's why they are called hybrids. They mesh a few things from different bikes to make a utility bike. There are no specific hybrid racks, or hybrid pedals, or hybrid brakes, or hybrid anything. Just because you feel ashamed to own one and want to hide in a different forum doesn't mean making a hybrid forum is a good idea.
    Your position doesn't hold any water, There are several forums with bikes that don't have specific parts or special topics that are not discuses in multiple forums. Hybrids are also broken down into categories within the Hybrid culture. You then further feel the need to support your argument by projecting the the assumption that Hybrid owners somehow feel ashamed of our equipment as if we really wanted something other than what we own. There are more productive approaches of how to discuss this topic without insulting the people discussing the subject. There are valid points on both sides of the discussion. Hybrids are evolving from a simple utility cross over to a more mainstream option in the bicycle community. I personal hold no animosity to any other category in the bicycle community & get very confused when I see it in reference to the Hybrid owners.

    Just because you feel ashamed to own one and want to hide in a different forum doesn't mean making a hybrid forum is a good idea.
    Can you explain the motivation behind this quote, Please do not interpret my question as hostel but just an example of what I am talking about. Discussion on both sides of the subject are welcome
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    Since when is there a bicycle hybrid culture?

    My biggest issue is it would fragment an already very fragmented forum.

    I'm a mod/admin at another website with forums. We get routine requests for new specific forums. Each time the following questions have to be answered:
    1 - What specific topic of discussion would there be?
    2 - Can this topic of discussion not be satisfactorily be covered by already existing forums?
    3 - Biggest of all, would there be enough people participating in discussion to justify another forum?

    Generally, 1 & 2 have sort of valid answers, but 3 is almost never justified.

    In my opinion, Hybrids aren't that unique to justify another forum. Also, there are already too many forums here as it is, but that's not my decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeshoup View Post
    Since when is there a bicycle hybrid culture?
    Ever since people started tricking them out. Since they became popular. since people began to associating them selves with the Hybrid bicycle. Ever since anybody said they belong to the Hybrid culture there has been a hybrid culture. I am here there 4 I am
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    That sums up your attitude problem perfectly. "...a hybrid culture."* You are the only ones to believe other types of bikes belong in formalized 'cultures.' You belong to a so-called "roadie-culture." And whoever doesn't own a roadie is not worthy of aculturization into your closed-circuit. Not that we would want to. Generally those who view the world as a series of subdivisions (as you do when you hang your hat on buzzwords such as "fragmenting") - believe they are part of the top-most subdivision. This is exemplified by a 'snotty' attitude.

    I have a custom (myself) handbuilt-from-frame-up road-bike. But I refuse to join some group over the having of such. And you banter about abstractions such as I am feeling inadequate for owning what I made into the best hybrid possible?? Shear genius, Dr. Frood. But I happen to be a trained psychologist who is quite capable of taking a self inventory. And what I see is you acting out a textbook example of projection in a psycho-analytical tense. It is you who harbor feelings of inadequecy (no doubt in more areas than just bicycle-ownership), which manifests itself in feeling threatened by people who don't own the same bicycle as you. You percieve a threat whenever someone disagrees with you - or purchases a different product than you.

    I, for one, am not backing down due to your sociopathy. I want a hybrid-specific forum. And I will persist in what is a perfectly legitamite cause to give some bandwidth to the great many hybrid owners & lovers out there.

    As for you, Mr. Moderator-in-a-different-forum: I was a long-time super-mod in an international political-analysis forum with over 1/4 million members and countless guests. As a new set of circumstances revealed itself - we certainly would recognize this and address same - including formations of new fora (look it up) to open same for discussion.

    Hybrids Are Here. Let's Make This Clear. Get Used To It!


    * This isn't directed at you, Timber. This is to those who subdivide same and demand explanations of what they themselves brought to the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    That ain't nothing when it comes to BF Brand weird phobias. I believe 85% of the bicycles in the the U.S. were sold by Big Box Department stores, read on BF the numerous foaming rants about them and their owners.
    And,so this has what relevance to our request?

    Quote Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
    What's obvious from your posts is that you have some feelings of inadequacy from owning a hybrid.

    I did explain myself in my previous post. There is nothing specific about hybrids. That's why they are called hybrids. They mesh a few things from different bikes to make a utility bike. There are no specific hybrid racks, or hybrid pedals, or hybrid brakes, or hybrid anything. Just because you feel ashamed to own one and want to hide in a different forum doesn't mean making a hybrid forum is a good idea.
    Sorry, but I'm not seeing that at all. The only sense of inadequacy that I've ever felt with my hybrid was with equiptment and a lack of encouragement from the lbs (even the one that I worked at) to do anything to improve what I already had. Instead, everyone told me that I needed a new bike, even my boss.

    There is no relevance to your statement that there is not any hybrid specific parts out there, there are seats that are not put on mtb, road bikes or cruisers but come on new hybrids. Also, there is no reason that I can't put road cranks on a mtb or vice versa, and if I wanna use spds on my roadie or looks on my mtb, who's to stop me?

    Hybrids are a great way for someone to get on a bike and play around with components. Yes, it might be more likely used on a mup, or to commute, maybe even touring, but it's still a valid and important bike to many.

    I set my hybrid up as a CX style commuter/tourer when I got it in '95 and used to get dropped all the time, but now with a road crank adding 10 teeth to the chainrings it's as fast as (albight heaver than) my carbon and alum roadie. I may not have used it to tour, but I've used it for commutting and fitness for years, and even in a CX race or 2 before getting a new road bike.

    All we are really asking for here is a place for us to consolidate info for all of us who own and use hybrids, even if its a place full of little blurbs and links, it would be better than trying to search through all the different forums to find anything about hybrids. Do a forum search for hybrid and you will quickly get discouraged while trying to weed through a whole lot of stuff that has little to nothing to do with the info that you want about hybrids.

    I'd imagine that most of it has to do with negative comments about hybrids.

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    "We're queer and we're here...

    Sorry wrong chant... (and no I'm not*)."

    That's where I stole that from alright! And I HAVE worked in Civil Rights - including Gay Rights - for many years. I'm a long-time political activist. And I'm just beginning to sharpen my teeth for as long a fight as needed. And not one second more!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeshoup View Post
    As is, the forums are plenty fragmented.

    Let's think about this.

    Mountain bikes have their own forum. They're frequently used on trails and what not, and much of the discussion is suited around that.

    Road biking has its own forum. They race, and they talk about that.

    BMX, well, BMX duh.

    A hybrid can be used for various reasons. If you're going to put it on some trails, discuss in the MTB forum. Going to race? Discuss in the road biking forums. Going to commute? Commuting forum. Get the idea? Something broke on your hybrid? There's a mechanics forum.

    I can't quite understand what the discussion would revolve around in a hybrid specific forum.

    P.S. I'm no hybrid "hater". My bike is a hybrid.
    In a perfect world you would be correct. But this isn't a perfect world. Try posting something about your hybrid in either the road or MTB forums. Your going to be insulted and laughed off in the first 2 posts. That's a fact. Hybrids are looked at as a jack of all trades, master of none. Don't take my word for it either. Try posting and see.
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    The Ultimate Hybrid Thread

    Maybe the best thread on the subject I've seen. http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=412368
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    Quote Originally Posted by cs1 View Post
    Maybe the best thread on the subject I've seen. http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=412368
    Excellent thread! To bad it's not in our new Hybrids - A New Breed on the Roads and Trails forum*!

    Look staff & management - I'd be willing to do the annoying work of transferring threads of pertinence to a new nest. I know how to run V-Bulletins software. Make this transition as easy as possible. Come on - play nice!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthers007 View Post
    I'd be willing to do the annoying work of transferring threads of pertinence to a new nest. I know how to run V-Bulletins software. Make this transition as easy as possible. Come on - play nice! * - We can talk.
    Well Panther didn't you just volunteer for a big project, LOL That says a lot about the desire for a Hybrid forum in itself. I don't thing many people even know this thread exists. I do post a link in my signature but I don't use many forums so it doesn't get around much further than the commuter group. It is nice to see activity on both sides of the discussion. It is also nice to see it have a pretty civil tone for the most part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthers007 View Post
    Excellent thread! To bad it's not in our new Hybrids - A New Breed on the Roads and Trails forum*!

    Look staff & management - I'd be willing to do the annoying work of transferring threads of pertinence to a new nest. I know how to run V-Bulletins software. Make this transition as easy as possible. Come on - play nice!


    * - We can talk.
    What about merging the Cyclocross and Hybrids together. You can always keep the racing specific cross subforum for the hardcore. Lets face it, 90% of all those who post on the cross forum are basically riding their cross bikes like a hybrid. It's a natural and all you're going to do is a name change.
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    We're getting a bit ahead of ourselves. First we need to win the 'hearts & minds' of the admins. But that sounds doable IF the people involved in the Cyclocross Forum would go along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    That ain't nothing when it comes to BF Brand weird phobias. I believe 85% of the bicycles in the the U.S. were sold by Big Box Department stores, read on BF the numerous foaming rants about them and their owners.
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    And,so this has what relevance to our request?
    It was and is a relevant response to this comment on this thread. Sorry it didn't meet "our" approval for relevance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panthers007
    But there is some weird phobia saying our hybrids aren't worthy of recognition.

    Even though fully 1/2 of cyclists where I live ride them.
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    I have been following this thread with great interest and offer the following thoughts and I speak as someone who has a great affection for bicycles of all kinds and not in any official capacity.

    Unlike many cycling forums BF does not have forums devoted to specific brands or types of bicycles but rather, forums that are focused on the type of riding people do be that; road/racing, bmx, cyclocross, mtb/racing, commuting, etc.

    I have a great number of bikes and most of them would be considered hybrids as they are general purpose bikes that serve many functions and only a few that are really purpose specific like my mtb and road bike.

    In the rest of the world hybrids are simply called bicycles, it is only on North America where the term hybrid really has any meaning... a Dutch "city bike" is just a bicycle in Holland.

    So besides the road, mtb, and cyclocross forum we have general cycling, commuting, utility cycling, and the family and recreational forum and within those we see those general purposes bicycles that marketers like to call hybrids to differentiate them from mtbs and road bikes.

    My Trek 7500 Multitrack "hybrid" does it all... it logs 1000's upon thousands of miles as a commuter but was really built up for touring and does that very well. It hauls, tows trailers, plows through the winter snow, and even likes to get dirty from time to time.

    It is a very good all round bicycle and I sometimes think if I could only have one bicycle, this would be it.

    Something like a city bike is different as they do have some features that make them stand out... slack frame angles and an upright riding position, chain guards, fenders / skirts, and simple drives set them apart. My 1948 Rudge is a true city bike.

    Perhaps we should abandon the word "hybrid" and just call them what they are... this is my best all round bicycle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cs1 View Post
    What about merging the Cyclocross and Hybrids together. You can always keep the racing specific cross subforum for the hardcore. Lets face it, 90% of all those who post on the cross forum are basically riding their cross bikes like a hybrid. It's a natural and all you're going to do is a name change.
    I have to disagree that this is a good idea for several reasons. Cyclocross is actually a sport. Hybrids are a small minority in that group. I also think that merging the 2 groups together might be offensive to the Cyclocross people & I wouldn't blame them. It would only make the Hybrid a target to a larger group. My feeling is either grant it its own forum or leave it to the future. The Hybrid is a cross over to many groups and that is what makes it unique. The hybrid forum would create a platform to display all kinds of customizing techniques as well as display multiple combination's of accessories that simply don't work in other categories. The hybrid belongs everywhere & nowhere at the same time. There is no place to ask a hybrid specific question or display a hybrid specific customization. The cocept of hunting through multiple forums for ideas and answered is tiresome at best and only leads to the same questions asked multiple time in several different forums.
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    POI - I'm still on your side.

    A Hybrid specific forum is a good idea...

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    I've been mentioning and inviting the people discussing Hybrids all over the forums - as usual this can be anywhere. I explain the idea and the resistance to even considering such. Even the half-baked drugstore psychology that we're somehow ashamed to own Hybrid!

    And I include this link:

    Hybrid specific forum: If you've already posted, do come back and vote the poll

    Next I'll write-up a generic invitation to join into this thread for a Copy & Paste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    Unlike many cycling forums BF does not have forums devoted to specific brands or types of bicycles but rather, forums that are focused on the type of riding people do be that; road/racing, bmx, cyclocross, mtb/racing, commuting, etc.
    With all do respect I have to disagree, BMX & Recumbent are typs of bikes just as Hybrids are, made by several different manufacturers & in a wide range of variety. Recumbent's though very unique in there own right also fall into many different categories if you want to use argument of finding information about it just look in forum X. This has been they biggest reason against a Hybrid forum

    I think it is immaterial as to who coined the term Hybrid! the bottom line is the bike is marketed as a hybrid and the term stuck & these bikes are hybrids regardless of where in the world it is marketed. If you go to any manufacturers web site the category is Hybrid.

    I remember as a boy when the 1st manufactured BMX appeared in the Colones. It was called a Thunder Road made by Huffy. They came to be as stingrays with broken banana seats and we used what ever was around to replace them, usually off a 10 speed. We made them from discarded bike parts we collected from the dump. Birth of the BMX, it caught on and Huffy was the 1st to market the BMX.This is also an example of a marketing strategy and that is how it is done. The Hybrid has followed a similar path.

    Thank you Panther for including the link in your signature. The only way this will happen is if people are aware of it. We also need people on both sides of the discussion to keep it productive.We do not want to discourage anyone from expressing their opinion as long as it is not combative. The more people that support the idea the better the chances of pulling it off. You might want to identify the link in your signature as what it is so people know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timber_8 View Post
    With all do respect I have to disagree, BMX & Recumbent are typs of bikes just as Hybrids are, made by several different manufacturers & in a wide range of variety. Recumbent's though very unique in there own right also fall into many different categories if you want to use argument of finding information about it just look in forum X. This has been they biggest reason against a Hybrid forum
    SS/FG's also have their own forum.

    And where as mtb and road cycling forums might be seen as style or techniques of riding, they are also, obviously, types of bikes.

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    That's not in my signature. But will be in a Cut & Paste I'll be dropping around. But thanks anywho.

    And I, too, disagree with dropping the 'hybrid' name and such. People identify them HERE (USA) by this title. Maybe they don't know what a Hybrid is in South Ossetia - but they do HERE.
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    Hybrid is not a North American term, it is a manufactures term there for it is a term used where ever the bike is sold regardless of what country it is sold in. In other words if you wanted to drop the term Hybrid you would have to have every different manufacturer of a Hybrid drop the term. I am sure that a Hybrid is referred to in other names in other country's as it is here but it is still a Hybrid never the less
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    I just joined this forum yesterday and was astounded when I could not find a hybrid section. I like speed but prefer mountain-bike style seating and position over road bike position. I had questions about a purchase i planned on making but had no idea where the hell to post it.

    I would up posting it in the commuting thread because i know a lot of people commute with hybrids. Seeing how the bike-commuting movement is gaining in momentum, it makes perfect sense to have a hybrid only subforum or category to post hybrid-specific questions/comments in.

    hybrids = comfortable upright position of mountain bikes + the speed of roadbikes. these are perfect commuter bikes, and since the commuter movement is growing significantly in numbers,

    we NEED - WE NEED a hybrid forum.

    thank you.
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    I vote for a hybrid forum. Main reason is the way peopel who try to post about hybrids are being treated. Wery few peopel mention theyr hybrids, to avoid being bullyed. The special thing about this is that often nobody ask questions like "what type of riding are you going to do,do you own other bikes" and so on, the bullying starts right away.

    Read my thread from last autumn: What is a hybrid? Plse explain!

    Maybe we just need to search trough and find the threads with the bullying we talk about and present them to "the royalty" to show what is happening?

    When posting about hybrids in the commuter forums is just as unplesant as posting about comfort bikes in the road forums it is time for changes.

    Around here a roadbike is not a bike, unless you are one of the "lance wannabee`s". There are less peopel riding MTB`s (with knobbyes- on tarmack) and more hybrids and comfort bikes. I am sure approx half of the new bikes being sold are hybrids. "The world" is not just North Amerika.

    I need to find out how to ad a signature/message to the bottom of my post now, been to lazy to do that.
    Last edited by badmother; 08-10-09 at 04:05 AM. Reason: zPelLinG

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