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Old 07-24-10, 05:03 PM   #1251
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I sold my older Raleigh C-200 this spring and purchased a Giant Rapid 3---love it. I use it to commute and for fitness and general recreation...it has proven itself to be a very capable bike.
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Here's a picture of me riding on the very hill I live on, a few hundred meters from my house...
Are you riding up the hill or down it?
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Old 07-24-10, 05:50 PM   #1253
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Are you riding up the hill or down it?
This exact spot is the actual top of the hill so I'm riding on flat road
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Old 07-24-10, 06:19 PM   #1254
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Yopo,

Did you compare the Orbea Diem with any other higher-end flat bar fitness/hybrid bikes? The Orbea caught my eye but I couldn't find a dealer that had one for me to see or ride.
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Yopo,

Did you compare the Orbea Diem with any other higher-end flat bar fitness/hybrid bikes? The Orbea caught my eye but I couldn't find a dealer that had one for me to see or ride.
No offence, If you really want that Orbea you should get it, but I personally think it is a bad choice.
It costs more than $2000 because it has a carbon frame and fork and ultegra components ... this brings the weight down to about 10 kilos.
If you would get a bike that is almost exactly the same bike but with an aluminum frame and fork and ... let's say ... a 105 group of components, that bike would cost less than half the price of this-one, while only weighing about 1 or max 2 kilos more.
Do you want to pay $1000+ for a bit more than 1 kilo off of the total weight of your weight plus the weight of your bike?
Unless you are planning on doing amateur races, I personally think that there is no reason for this, but you are free to spend your money on whatever you like, ofcourse.

Take a look at the Orbea Aneto, for instance, and compare the price and the weight & components to the Diem Ice
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another thing, carbon is fragile... With heavy use they develop microscopic cracks, then fails catastrophically. OTOH, aluminum frames either ride like a wet noodle, or are too stiff and harsh.
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The trick is to get a quality aluminum frame that is made from the exact right blend of elements and more importantly to get one that has been post-heated long and hot enough to be extra strong. My frame was made at a respected factory a few miles from where I live and is made from triple butted quality made 7005 aluminum, which is a world of difference compared to typical cheap taiwanese aluminum frames you see all over the place these days.
My frame being stiff is not a problem for me, since I have both front fork and seatpost suspension

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Old 07-25-10, 02:12 PM   #1258
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suspension

My frame being stiff is not a problem for me, since I have both front fork and seatpost suspension



Can you lock out your forks, and your seat post ? Just wondering , Richard
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I can lock out the fork, not the post ... but I have set the post to a pretty high pressure so that it will only aid in countering unexpected potholes but will not budge due to basic pedalling.
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Here's a picture of me riding on the very hill I live on, a few hundred meters from my house.

If you look closely, you will see that my hair is trying to mimic the shape of an aerohelmet
Looks like some beautiful countryside there... would love to ride it and perhaps stop by and have a cold one with Mr. Merckx.

Can also appreciate a stiff frame... my old Trek was U.S. made and has a 7 series ZX frame and chromo fork and is stiff as Turkish coffee but has an absolutely wonderful ride all due to the 700:35 cross tyres.
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It costs more than $2000 because it has a carbon frame and fork and ultegra components ... this brings the weight down to about 10 kilos.
If you would get a bike that is almost exactly the same bike but with an aluminum frame and fork and ... let's say ... a 105 group of components, that bike would cost less than half the price of this-one, while only weighing about 1 or max 2 kilos more.
Do you want to pay $1000+ for a bit more than 1 kilo off of the total weight of your weight plus the weight of your bike?
I own a 2010 Trek 7.7FX that comes with 105 group of components. Yes, the 7.7FX is not as expensive (costs about 2/3 than that of the Diem), its just a bit heavier (I think a little more than kilo than the Diem), and not as fragile (i.e. I'm afraid of hanging the Orbea on a bike rack for fear that it may crack). And to be very honest, a fitness/recreational rider like me can't tell any big difference in the ride quality and speed between the two bikes!

But there is something (subjective) about the Orbea that makes it more enjoyable to ride. I also somehow get more enjoyment in cleaning and taking care of it. It does not shout for attention but yet attracts a lot of positive comments with the other bikers, and I could not agree more. IMHO, getting a bike with an aluminum frame will not get you something almost exactly or as close to the Orbea.
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I own a 2010 Trek 7.7FX that comes with 105 group of components. Yes, the 7.7FX is not as expensive (costs about 2/3 than that of the Diem), its just a bit heavier (I think a little more than kilo than the Diem), and not as fragile (i.e. I'm afraid of hanging the Orbea on a bike rack for fear that it may crack). And to be very honest, a fitness/recreational rider like me can't tell any big difference in the ride quality and speed between the two bikes!

But there is something (subjective) about the Orbea that makes it more enjoyable to ride. I also somehow get more enjoyment in cleaning and taking care of it. It does not shout for attention but yet attracts a lot of positive comments with the other bikers, and I could not agree more. IMHO, getting a bike with an aluminum frame will not get you something almost exactly or as close to the Orbea.
Carying a full bottle of water makes a bigger difference in weight so you indeed will not feel the difference.
If anyone wants to spend thousands of dollars on a pro bike to -as you describe it- "attract a lot of positive comments with the other bikers", than that is ofcourse their good right ... but then it is also my good right to disregard that sort of infantile behaviour as "silly".
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I own a 2010 Trek 7.7FX that comes with 105 group of components. Yes, the 7.7FX is not as expensive (costs about 2/3 than that of the Diem), its just a bit heavier (I think a little more than kilo than the Diem), and not as fragile (i.e. I'm afraid of hanging the Orbea on a bike rack for fear that it may crack). And to be very honest, a fitness/recreational rider like me can't tell any big difference in the ride quality and speed between the two bikes!

But there is something (subjective) about the Orbea that makes it more enjoyable to ride. I also somehow get more enjoyment in cleaning and taking care of it. It does not shout for attention but yet attracts a lot of positive comments with the other bikers, and I could not agree more. IMHO, getting a bike with an aluminum frame will not get you something almost exactly or as close to the Orbea.
Jomonds, the Orbea is a beautiful piece of machinery - both form and function. I would certainly go that route if I could get away with it (mrs specialfx would poke out my eye), and that one photo you posted is definitely more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than multiple photos in the same thread of the same bike from different angles and settings.

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Old 07-26-10, 11:56 AM   #1267
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The handlebar setup, revised

When I first posted photos of Trigger there had been comments about the handle bars and I decided to take some advice from another forum on here.

After a stop at my LBS this morning this is what my handlebar setup looks like.
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Looks better. How does it feel?
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It looks nice, but are the brakelevers meant to point down that much?
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Old 07-26-10, 01:29 PM   #1270
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Just finished up converting the old Crossroads to 9 speed for my daughter. Popped a quick pick as taking her out for a test ride. Mostly a LX drivetrain now with shifters, crank, bb, and rd. XT fd and XTR chain. Also put on an Easton Monkey Bar with ergon grips and shorter quill stem. Dropped to a pretty decent 26lbs.
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It looks nice, but are the brakelevers meant to point down that much?
Good eye.

Kerrvillian, I'm glad the shop guy was able to get that stuck bolt loose, but I think he forgot to adjust the position of your controls after repositioning the stem and barends. Reset them so your wrists are more in line with your forearms when braking. Safer and more comfortable braking.
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Good eye.

Kerrvillian, I'm glad the shop guy was able to get that stuck bolt loose, but I think he forgot to adjust the position of your controls after repositioning the stem and barends. Reset them so your wrists are more in line with your forearms when braking. Safer and more comfortable braking.
definitely. brakes are easily done, usually with a 5 or 6mm allen wrench on the bottom side, and grip-shifters are typically a 2.5 or so mm allen somewhere on the fat part. loosen allen, adjust to fit, tighten. couldn't be simpler.

I got one of these in my toolkit, its really handy.
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Looks better. How does it feel?
Feels different, stretching out over the top tube. In the previous position the bar was directly over my knees, now it's forward. Feels like I'm putting more power into my pedaling.

We'll see when I tackle my nine mile route tomorrow.
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Good eye.

Kerrvillian, I'm glad the shop guy was able to get that stuck bolt loose, but I think he forgot to adjust the position of your controls after repositioning the stem and barends. Reset them so your wrists are more in line with your forearms when braking. Safer and more comfortable braking.
I'll either do that myself or get it done tomorrow.

UPDATE: Got Trigger inside to make the adjustments. Will be trying it out on my ride this morning.

Second update: I'm not much of a cyclist by the standards of many on here but I did get out to ride. Original intent was to go nine miles but felt pretty lagged after my mid-point turn around. Since I'm starting a new blood pressure medication today I suspect that may have played into the feeling.

The ride: I'm feeling more power. I don't have empirical evidence but feel I was faster, at least on the ride out. I didn't reset the cycle computer before the ride so it's still reading the same average MPH.

More strain on the arms. Made sure to keep the elbows at least partially bent. No hand numbness from the ride. Kept varying my grip position to prevent it.

Positive changes.
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